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Feb 16 2022 02:11pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Feb 16 2022 11:55am)
Trump did considerably more than just asking for recounts. He pressured all sorts of officials into overturning the results of the election or not certifying certain states. His post-election campaign to subvert the outcome of the election was inept and largely inconsequential, but still far from innocuous.



Even if you can prove all of that, its not within a zillion light years of trudeau declaring martial law.
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Feb 16 2022 02:20pm
Quote (Kuggergug @ 16 Feb 2022 21:11)
Even if you can prove all of that, its not within a zillion light years of trudeau declaring martial law.


The two are not comparable at all. Just completely different situations. Apples to oranges and such...

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Feb 16 2022 02:26pm
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He also lied to millions of his supporters implying Pence could stop the whole process, when his certification was always just ceremonial, putting Pence's life in danger and furthering the lie that corrupt courts and legislative bodies, rather than lack of proof, were the reason Biden got sworn in.

I still don't get why so many of Trump's supporters are still willing to believe in the Big Lie after countless Trump-appointed judges have invariably ruled against these lawsuits.


At this point in time, there are only two possible explanations left:

1. There was no widespread fraud or tampering during the 2020 election and Trump lost fair and square.
2. There was indeed a conspiracy to steal the election from him, and they got away with it because Trump had appoint dozens of federal judges who were all agents of the deep state and in on the con.


Even if 2. were the truth, it would still mean that Trump is completely fucking incompetent and ineffective as the leader of the fight against the swamp. Either way, it means that he should not be president.

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Feb 16 2022 02:27pm
now Julius Brandon Mao-Tse Fidelus Adolphus Castrudeaux I (birth name: justin trudeau) is now trying to blacklist bitcoin addresses in Canada. guess he’s learning from the swamp demons as he camps out at Camp David or Quantico for the time being
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Feb 16 2022 02:30pm
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I still don't get why so many of Trump's supporters are still willing to believe in the Big Lie after countless Trump-appointed judges have invariably ruled against these lawsuits.


At this point in time, there are only two possible explanations left:

1. There was no widespread fraud or tampering during the 2020 election and Trump lost fair and square.
2. There was indeed a conspiracy to steal the election from him, and they got away with it because Trump had appoint dozens of federal judges who were all agents of the deep state and in on the con.


Even if 2. were the truth, it would still mean that Trump is completely fucking incompetent and ineffective as the leader of the fight against the swamp and therefore should not be president.


the still believing in the election fraud case conspiracy is so bad that its approaching flat earth with its lack of proof. they literally have nothing, zero proof, just allegations.
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Feb 16 2022 02:34pm
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the still believing in the election fraud case conspiracy is so bad that its approaching flat earth with its lack of proof. they literally have nothing, zero proof, just allegations.


There were thousands of fraudulent votes in Minnesota from ballot harvesting. There was an entire documentary and news cycle about it. Similar charges were raised in Georgia but there was no proof found. It didn't change the result of the election overall, but it wasn't a good year for election security. Only made worse by pandemic panic.
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Feb 16 2022 02:37pm
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the still believing in the election fraud case conspiracy is so bad that its approaching flat earth with its lack of proof. they literally have nothing, zero proof, just allegations.


And yet, people believing in the flat earth shouldn't bother us. We don't need to censor social media because we're afraid of people spreading flat earth conspiracies. We don't need to hold the biggest federal investigation ever into flat-earth protests. We don't need legions of coordinated media entities telling people not to believe the flat earthers. We don't say people need to be doxxed and harassed for believing in the flat earth.

Looking at the Pence part of the story- it shouldn't have been hard for anyone to shake out exactly what the limits were. The procedures require the vice president to certify the election, so if he actually did refuse to certify it, the election wouldn't be formally certified until the parties took it to the courts who would immediately rule that Pence didn't have the authority to overturn the election. We'd measure the amount of time that would take in hours. He held that very limited and pointless power. Its wrong when Trumpers think he could have somehow negated the election entirely, but its also wrong when muh fact checkers say he couldn't have done anything. That sensible rational middle ground is lost, all that exists in America today is people lying to you and people believing fairy tales, both claiming to be the one truth.

I don't see why any of it should really bother us. I'd be more concerned about the actions taken by officials than their rhetoric, and democrats crying crocodile tears over rioters at the capitol is just impossible not to juxtapose against the past few years of BLM
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Feb 16 2022 02:59pm
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And yet, people believing in the flat earth shouldn't bother us. We don't need to censor social media because we're afraid of people spreading flat earth conspiracies. We don't need to hold the biggest federal investigation ever into flat-earth protests. We don't need legions of coordinated media entities telling people not to believe the flat earthers. We don't say people need to be doxxed and harassed for believing in the flat earth.


Flat earthers didn't storm the Capitol. :rolleyes:

Like... don't get me wrong, the way the Jan 6 protesters are prosecuted with the full force of the feds is definitely an overreaction, born out of vindictiveness and the desire to create a deterrent example. And yes, the hypocrisy is truly baffling when you compare the reaction by Democrats and the MSM to Jan 6 with their response to the BLM protests. Still, by storming the Capitol, these buffoons provided the other side a credible justification for investigating them and for disseminating this "don't believe in their lies"-messaging.
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Feb 16 2022 03:12pm
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And yet, people believing in the flat earth shouldn't bother us. We don't need to censor social media because we're afraid of people spreading flat earth conspiracies. We don't need to hold the biggest federal investigation ever into flat-earth protests. We don't need legions of coordinated media entities telling people not to believe the flat earthers. We don't say people need to be doxxed and harassed for believing in the flat earth.

Looking at the Pence part of the story- it shouldn't have been hard for anyone to shake out exactly what the limits were. The procedures require the vice president to certify the election, so if he actually did refuse to certify it, the election wouldn't be formally certified until the parties took it to the courts who would immediately rule that Pence didn't have the authority to overturn the election. We'd measure the amount of time that would take in hours. He held that very limited and pointless power. Its wrong when Trumpers think he could have somehow negated the election entirely, but its also wrong when muh fact checkers say he couldn't have done anything. That sensible rational middle ground is lost, all that exists in America today is people lying to you and people believing fairy tales, both claiming to be the one truth.

I don't see why any of it should really bother us. I'd be more concerned about the actions taken by officials than their rhetoric, and democrats crying crocodile tears over rioters at the capitol is just impossible not to juxtapose against the past few years of BLM


flat earthers are about as rare as trans people, trans people just get more media traction. election deniers are far more common, and are willing to in some cases violently fight against the powers they feel wrong them. flat earthers are storming NASA.

its also a bit funny to in one breath say a lack of certification from pence would be rectified in hours, but also that fact checkers shouldnt say he's powerless. weakly holding up the process for a few hours is tantamount to powerless compared to the power Trump claimed he had.

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Feb 16 2022 05:08pm
Talking about January 6 in a Canada thread LOL
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