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Terry McAuliffe lost.
Brandons America causing red wave.


Republicans now permanently have to win by the Margin of Cheating in this broken republic. Dont' count out the 3am truckload of 99.9% D ballots from nursing homes and homeless shelters.
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We had this discussion recently where we both agreed that children should be taught history without glossing over the ugly side of it. I think the most important takeaway from learning history is that it IS nuanced but you don't want to miss the forest for the trees. One aspect of whitewashing is when you use a set of facts to weave a narrative that isn't correct. A great example of this is the Lost Cause narrative which continues to see success today. Anyway, Goomshill's analysis on Native American history is what gives the game away. If you pollute the waters enough, you'll come to the conclusion that "both sides are bad" and leave it at that. We should not teach history in a way that lends itself to false equivalences. That's not to say that we shouldn't teach the atrocities done by Native Americans but it needs to be in the context where most people see a forest and not the Gobi Desert.


And this is the product of decades of anti-americanism, the self-flagellatory belief that white people are the root of all sin and everyone else are the innocent victims of white oppression. The idea that one side is good and one side is bad, and there's no inbetween, and everything has to be put into a dichotomy of sinners and saints. And that is the definition of whitewashing. And that's precisely what's going on in schools under critical race theory. They consider it 'polluting the waters' whenever inconvenient facts and statistics show up to contradict that narrative. That its some kind of false equivalency if anyone dares to suggest that Native Americans spent a great deal of their history slaughtering each other and raiding settlements of white people. When kids grow up thinking every lynching victim was black because that's all they were ever taught, and teachers wouldn't dare want to mention anything that might give a suggestion otherwise because it would pollute the waters.

Its the difference between teaching history, and not teaching history. The people who want to teach history want the facts laid out in the open, the good the bad and the ugly, to inform people and let them make their own opinions. The people who don't want to teach history want only a subset of the facts, or 'alternative facts' that revise the inconvenient stuff, so as to reaffirm their own beliefs. And of course, anyone who has actually studied history can see the parallel between what CRT wants and what every totalitarian belief system has taught in human history, be it church inquisitions or communist reeducation. I'd want to say that the novelty here is that its aimed at teaching self-loathing to a people, but that's already been in vogue with the church before too.
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Nov 2 2021 11:24pm
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And this is the product of decades of anti-americanism, the self-flagellatory belief that white people are the root of all sin and everyone else are the innocent victims of white oppression. The idea that one side is good and one side is bad, and there's no inbetween, and everything has to be put into a dichotomy of sinners and saints. And that is the definition of whitewashing. And that's precisely what's going on in schools under critical race theory. They consider it 'polluting the waters' whenever inconvenient facts and statistics show up to contradict that narrative. That its some kind of false equivalency if anyone dares to suggest that Native Americans spent a great deal of their history slaughtering each other and raiding settlements of white people. When kids grow up thinking every lynching victim was black because that's all they were ever taught, and teachers wouldn't dare want to mention anything that might give a suggestion otherwise because it would pollute the waters.

Its the difference between teaching history, and not teaching history. The people who want to teach history want the facts laid out in the open, the good the bad and the ugly, to inform people and let them make their own opinions. The people who don't want to teach history want only a subset of the facts, or 'alternative facts' that revise the inconvenient stuff, so as to reaffirm their own beliefs. And of course, anyone who has actually studied history can see the parallel between what CRT wants and what every totalitarian belief system has taught in human history, be it church inquisitions or communist reeducation. I'd want to say that the novelty here is that its aimed at teaching self-loathing to a people, but that's already been in vogue with the church before too.


some how the idea has gotten into peoples heads that the native american did nothing but prance around the prairie hugging buffalo.

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some how the idea has gotten into peoples heads that the native american did nothing but prance around the prairie hugging buffalo.


I guess they should have put the scenes in Avatar where the Metkayina Na'vi raid the Omaticaya Na'vi to steal the precious sugar-tree syrup to survive the winter, using the weapons 'traded' from humans, killed all the men and took the women and children.
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some how the idea has gotten into peoples heads that the native american did nothing but prance around the prairie hugging buffalo.


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I guess they should have put the scenes in Avatar where the Metkayina Na'vi raid the Omaticaya Na'vi to steal the precious sugar-tree syrup to survive the winter, using the weapons 'traded' from humans, killed all the men and took the women and children.

also these same groups hold the notion that Native Americans randomly spawned in the middle of modern-day Kansas and Florida like in a video game, while still saying science says all of the human species (homo sapiens) began in Africa

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Mexican criminal genocide in Virginia now?
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teach to kids the facts about FBI crime statistics
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Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 2 2021 09:57pm)
And this is the product of decades of anti-americanism, the self-flagellatory belief that white people are the root of all sin and everyone else are the innocent victims of white oppression. The idea that one side is good and one side is bad, and there's no inbetween, and everything has to be put into a dichotomy of sinners and saints. And that is the definition of whitewashing. And that's precisely what's going on in schools under critical race theory. They consider it 'polluting the waters' whenever inconvenient facts and statistics show up to contradict that narrative. That its some kind of false equivalency if anyone dares to suggest that Native Americans spent a great deal of their history slaughtering each other and raiding settlements of white people. When kids grow up thinking every lynching victim was black because that's all they were ever taught, and teachers wouldn't dare want to mention anything that might give a suggestion otherwise because it would pollute the waters.

Its the difference between teaching history, and not teaching history. The people who want to teach history want the facts laid out in the open, the good the bad and the ugly, to inform people and let them make their own opinions. The people who don't want to teach history want only a subset of the facts, or 'alternative facts' that revise the inconvenient stuff, so as to reaffirm their own beliefs. And of course, anyone who has actually studied history can see the parallel between what CRT wants and what every totalitarian belief system has taught in human history, be it church inquisitions or communist reeducation. I'd want to say that the novelty here is that its aimed at teaching self-loathing to a people, but that's already been in vogue with the church before too.


Your stance is confusing because on one hand you seemingly agree with what I said. On the other hand, you're using the same, exaggerated narratives that white supremacists use to justify some pretty horrific things. Maybe it's a Minnesota thing (some people did some things).
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Quote (thundercock @ Nov 3 2021 08:00am)
Your stance is confusing because on one hand you seemingly agree with what I said. On the other hand, you're using the same, exaggerated narratives that white supremacists use to justify some pretty horrific things. Maybe it's a Minnesota thing (some people did some things).


white supremacy is a conspiracy theory, this election proved it unequivocally when they had to hire Dem plants to try perpetrate it and could not even find all white lineup to do so



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