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Nov 21 2021 11:08pm
Quote (WickedDarkJuggalos @ Nov 22 2021 01:03am)
Okay we are done. I’ve gotten all the lefty bullshit I can handle for one day. Tell everybody I am fleeing or whatever, you lonely insufferable clown.




He recognizes you as a fellow internet jackass. But I am the one who is indistinguishable from him lmao. You guys literally pm each other comparing your dumb ass posts.


Actually, from time to time i stop being a troll who bait groups into arguing & fighting with each other as a distraction and actually care a little bout people. That's when i try to find out more bout said people. Most of the time, i don't care bout people enough. I think i care more when i'm high as fuck.

For example; I called Thor a few names tonight but at the same time, i feel for him. I mean, he prob lived some stuff to do what he's saying to people here. That's why most of the time, i give them some of my time by randomly posting shit to their comments bout whatever the subject is.

Some of them really try to get at me but it's the internet. We should all take this with a grain of salt, not put any feeling into it and laugh bout our online immaturity . Even more in a world where you can't make fun of someone without being sent to the gas chamber.

At the end of the day, if you ain't using the internet to get richer or learn a new craft, you should take everything with a grain of salt. Not put too much emotions into it. See everyone as NPC it help.

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Nov 21 2021 11:12pm
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So to summarize you made claims, and when asked for sources not only could you not give a source for that claim, but you also couldn't even direct me to a google search that would turn up proof, and you couldn't even support a more general claim of "the data isn't reliable". And when given a specific methodology and the conclusion that comes from it you abandoned the conversation.

Good talk. Pretty much how all of our conversations go lol.



Whatever you gotta tell yourself
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Nov 21 2021 11:12pm
Quote (WickedDarkJuggalos @ Nov 21 2021 08:05pm)
I have had much more thoughtful conversations with Hulu than I have with you.

How is the way Covid deaths are counted relating to my world view? Sorry I don’t blindly believe the cnn death counter. That has nothing to do with world views it is simply questioning something that is clearly being falsified in some ways.

I think it says more about you guys who are trying to discredit me just because you don’t like what I have to say.


I don't like what you have to say because you either LIED or you BELIEVED a lie. We have it on record that George Floyd's death was a homicide FFS. It did NOT get counted as a COVID death. The fact that you BELIEVE that his death was counted as a COVID death is because of your worldview.
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Nov 21 2021 11:14pm
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Whatever you gotta tell yourself


I mean, you can go back and read the conversation. You couldn't source literally any of your claims tonight, and when challenged you just got mad and threw around insults. It's all right there lol
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Nov 21 2021 11:36pm
Quote (thundercock @ Nov 22 2021 12:12am)
I don't like what you have to say because you either LIED or you BELIEVED a lie. We have it on record that George Floyd's death was a homicide FFS. It did NOT get counted as a COVID death. The fact that you BELIEVE that his death was counted as a COVID death is because of your worldview.



So you have his death certificate and/or whatever database Covid deaths are recorded on in Minnesota? You guys never like what I have to say because we live in two different americas.

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I mean, you can go back and read the conversation. You couldn't source literally any of your claims tonight, and when challenged you just got mad and threw around insults. It's all right there lol



You still never sourced anything proving me wrong.
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Nov 21 2021 11:41pm
Quote (WickedDarkJuggalos @ Nov 21 2021 11:36pm)
You still never sourced anything proving me wrong.


That's because it's easy for me to find them when asked. I gave you the methodology so you can look it up yourself, but if you ask I can get it easily.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7015a4.htm

"Approximately 75%–88% of excess deaths were directly associated with COVID-19. Excluding deaths directly associated with COVID-19, an estimated 63,700–162,400 more persons than expected died from other causes."

In total the deaths in the U.S. due to covid in 2020 was 770k. 162400 / 770,000 = 21%

Not as high as I was saying, but that's because the numbers I was working with were from mid-late 2020. Looks like the final numbers came down quite a bit compared to then. Still shows a pretty clear trend that deaths were under-counted.
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Nov 21 2021 11:45pm
Quote (WickedDarkJuggalos @ Nov 21 2021 09:36pm)
So you have his death certificate and/or whatever database Covid deaths are recorded on in Minnesota? You guys never like what I have to say because we live in two different americas.




You still never sourced anything proving me wrong.


The burden is on you to prove that, not me or him. Perhaps you should have been more attentive in middle school. But yes, we do live in two different Americas. On one side, you have a gullible population that will listen to whatever they hear on YouTube, MSNBC, Fox, etc. On the other side, you have a select few who are able to analyze data, deal with nuance, and understand the big picture. One side is intellectually curious and the other side doesn't think.
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Nov 21 2021 11:48pm
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The burden is on you to prove that, not me or him. Perhaps you should have been more attentive in middle school. But yes, we do live in two different Americas. On one side, you have a gullible population that will listen to whatever they hear on YouTube, MSNBC, Fox, etc. On the other side, you have a select few who are able to analyze data, deal with nuance, and understand the big picture. One side is intellectually curious and the other side doesn't think.



The side that just goes with the narrative is the intelligent curious side and the one who is questioning when things don’t add up is the side who doesn’t think? Okay.

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That's because it's easy for me to find them when asked. I gave you the methodology so you can look it up yourself, but if you ask I can get it easily.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7015a4.htm

"Approximately 75%–88% of excess deaths were directly associated with COVID-19. Excluding deaths directly associated with COVID-19, an estimated 63,700–162,400 more persons than expected died from other causes."

In total the deaths in the U.S. due to covid in 2020 was 770k. 162400 / 770,000 = 21%

Not as high as I was saying, but that's because the numbers I was working with were from mid-late 2020. Looks like the final numbers came down quite a bit compared to then. Still shows a pretty clear trend that deaths were under-counted.



Associated with does not mean Covid killed them. That was my point the entire time. For the umpteenth time this conversation is ridiculous because we are not even on the same planet right now.
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Nov 21 2021 11:51pm
JFC, people just don't understand burden of proof.

Autopsy report: https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/05/read-george-floyd-autopsy-report-with-cause-of-death-and-other-factors

Cause of death in the report:

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cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.
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Nov 21 2021 11:55pm
Quote (WickedDarkJuggalos @ Nov 21 2021 11:48pm)
Associated with does not mean Covid killed them. That was my point the entire time. For the umpteenth time this conversation is ridiculous because we are not even on the same planet right now.


The fact that when compared to the population adjusted average for the past 10 years it has a P value of 95% means we can be reasonably sure that at least 95% of the deaths in the figure cited are associated. That's why there's a range, it's the average plus or minus the confidence interval at 95% certainty.

You asked "is every statistical Covid death a legitimate death caused by Covid?" and the answer is "Yes, and then likely an additional 10-20%".

If you just take the raw number and don't do statistics it gets much larger, like 40% excess. Using the 95% confidence interval actually does your argument a huge favor it and still comes out with an additional 20%.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Nov 21 2021 11:57pm
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