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#111
Aug 29 2021 02:48pm
Masks happened. And hand hygiene.
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Aug 29 2021 03:59pm
Quote (Para_Medic @ 29 Aug 2021 22:48)
Masks happened. And hand hygiene.


And school closures. And the cancellation of pretty much all mass events and crowds. And lots of working from home. And a huge reduction in travel.

So, which of these is it? Do you, or anyone else, have ANY evidence for this idea that mask wearing alone would eliminate all the other respiratory viruses?
And if that was truly the case, why didn't countries like China implement universal, symptom-independent masking throughout winter yet?
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Aug 29 2021 04:08pm
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And school closures. And the cancellation of pretty much all mass events and crowds. And lots of working from home. And a huge reduction in travel.

So, which of these is it? Do you, or anyone else, have ANY evidence for this idea that mask wearing alone would eliminate all the other respiratory viruses?
And if that was truly the case, why didn't countries like China implement universal, symptom-independent masking throughout winter yet?


No, it's a combination of many things.. including everything you wrote. The answer is quite obvious.
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Aug 29 2021 04:34pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Aug 29 2021 04:47pm)
Considering BSL-2 is just a safety categorization, and one that would classify labs that aren't working with things that are expected to infect humans, I'd say pretty low chance they got it from the lab.

Sounds like somebody cheated on his/her spouse and then tried to blame it on the lab.


You should probably ask your Principal Investigator why personnel are aren't given full body suits while working with live lentiviral vectors. Its as if they don't care about your long term wellbeing and are just using you as lab rats.
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Aug 29 2021 04:46pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Aug 29 2021 05:34pm)
You should probably ask your Principal Investigator why personnel are aren't given full body suits while working with live lentiviral vectors. Its as if they don't care about your long term wellbeing and are just using you as lab rats.


Dude, I manage the lab, and that includes safety documentation and risk assessment. I'm the one who decides what BSL category to apply for and handles matters with EH&S.

You don't get full body suites when working with lentiviral vectors because you don't need it. If you are using something that is going to infect a human with an in-tact immune system you go up to BSL3 or 4.

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Aug 29 2021 04:58pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Aug 29 2021 06:46pm)
Dude, I manage the lab, and that includes safety documentation and risk assessment. I'm the one who decides what BSL category to apply for and handles matters with EH&S.

You don't get full body suites when working with lentiviral vectors because you don't need it. If you are using something that is going to infect a human with an in-tact immune system you go up to BSL3 or 4.


You better hope so!
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Aug 29 2021 05:19pm
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You better hope so!


This is the fundamental difference between knowing science, and understanding science. You know about viruses, but you don't understand how they work.
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Aug 29 2021 05:32pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ 29 Aug 2021 18:34)
You should probably ask your Principal Investigator why personnel are aren't given full body suits while working with live lentiviral vectors. Its as if they don't care about your long term wellbeing and are just using you as lab rats.

no one needs all that to lick petri dishes and torture mice
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Aug 29 2021 06:14pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Aug 29 2021 04:18pm)
Like I already explained, you only need a modest 30% reduction in spread rate to totally collapse the flu. I'm not an expert, but I'd be pretty damn surprised if Covid measures resulted in less than a 30% spread reduction in the flu.

Hell, if we just reduce the spread by 20% with a starting spread rate of 1.5, then that's still an 82% reduction in total flu cases.

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=(sum%20from%201%20to%2010%20of%20(0.75*1.5)%5Ex)%20/%20(sum%20from%201%20to%2010%20of%201.5%5Ex)

and a reduction of 15% results in 72% reduction in cases.

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=(sum%20from%201%20to%2010%20of%20(0.85*1.5)%5Ex)%20/%20(sum%20from%201%20to%2010%20of%201.5%5Ex)

I'd seriously question the methods of any study that concluded flu spread was reduced by Covid measures by less than 20%.



Now let's assume a really really low spreading flu season. A spread rate of 1.1. And let's assume Covid measures only reduced spread by 15%. This is making as many possible shitty assumptions.

and we still get that Covid measures would have reduced flu spread by 60%

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=(sum%20from%201%20to%2010%20of%20(0.85*1.1)%5Ex)%20/%20(sum%20from%201%20to%2010%20of%201.1%5Ex)



I hope I've shown that even if we make the absolute worst assumptions, Covid measures are still overwhelmingly likely to have been the cause of virtually all of the drop in flu cases.


I understand the math, and it makes sense but tbh I haven't seen much evidence proving it. There are other details like the fact that they've stopped testing for the flu early only because it was all hands on deck that also leave me somewhat skeptical.


Quote (Para_Medic @ Aug 29 2021 04:48pm)
Masks happened. And hand hygiene.


Hand hygiene was a thing before 2020, it's not as if people all of the sudden started washing their hands during COVID.

As I was reading more on this, it's fairly interesting how scientists really don't have a clue what will happen during the next/following flu seasons. We can still have the masks, the handwashing, the distancing and so on but i'v seen one projection saying somewhere between 16-20k which would be 10x 2020.

If that happens or lets say it gets back to 6 figures then it would really break down the argument that the preventative measures alone was the reason for the 2020 numbers.
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Aug 29 2021 06:16pm
Quote (excellence @ Aug 29 2021 07:32pm)
no one needs all that to lick petri dishes and torture mice


How about genetically engineered HIV viruses that contain integrase and are capable of changing your genome through insertational mutagenesis?
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