men are so much better its insane. women do have shorter tee boxes but in a womens tournament Jenner will tee off from the same place as her competition.

still tho, women off womens tee boxes, men of mens, men crush the women by dozens of strokes. its not even remotely close.

best female golfers in the world fail to make the cut at mens majors. dozens have tried, dont think any ever made the cut.

Anyone who tells themselves the advantages of being XY can be removed to have fair play of competing against XX is willfully ignoring entire fields of biological data.

The idea that people could convince themselves that Test levels somehow corrects or puts an XY on even playing field as XX just doesn't understand the biological reality of strength and athletics.

And this just isn't about puberty, XY people are born with more strength and athletic ability on average than XX.

Testosterone exposure essentially has almost lifelong lasting effects. And it's not even just tied into muscle fibers but tons of neurological factors. This should be obvious when XX who put in considerable muscle mass will not be as strong on average as XY who have the same amount of muscle mass.

So XY is exposed to Testosterone during fetal development which causes changes that won't ever be undone. Then the reality is very few trans people are going have avoided a puberty phase of increased levels of Test do the the onset of XY puberty which will be another compounded factor. And the idea that this is something that could be undone willfully ignores the data that shows this exposure has almost permanent lasting changes to muscle/bone mass and neuro muscular efficiency that will only diminish essentially with age.

There's an argument to be made that people who have taken PEDs in sport have essentially given themselves career long advantages over others even if they were to only use them till they get caught or only took them for a period because the body has "muscle memory" so you have a higher baseline that you can train up to than someone who would have not.

That said, I don't really care or think it matters except maybe for combat or violent sports activities potentially. But it is weird that there's people who are trying to willfully ignore and frame this discussion to think there could be a fair encompassing solution to having XY compete in XX sports.

Bought account, probably.

So you would change everything that been going for ages just for a bunch of Mutants who want to belong?

High school sports is about learning teamwork and building character.

Anyone here besides me ever actually play sports?

also the argument from feminists tends to go "sure, men are stronger, and faster because that's a function of strength, but accuracy is asexual. anything athletically that isn't a function of raw strength is equal."

but look at disc golf, men drive 500-600 feet, women 300-400. so follows the pattern still, men are stronger. but putting men still grossly dominate. "circle 1 putting" 35 feet and under, requires no raw strength. its the threshold for a short makeable putt for a pro. top 10 men players average 80-100%, top 10 women average 40-60%.

women are worse at darts, pool, mini golf, and just about any game where strength isnt a factor.

turns out, to the surprise of no one logical, that millions of years of keenly hunting prey in the wild whilst women tended to children, processed animals, and cooked, men have stronger senses of sight in the context of hand eye coordination.

there never will be a fair sport for both sexes, ever, men are always better. its really just that simple. the closest thing are things like SUPER long distance swimming or ultra marathons. where buoyancy of increased fat pockets or increased energy storage from those fat pockets allow women to edge out men. even there the sample size is too small to really say, but data supports the idea.

i recall people saying "gymnastics" when america was sweeping the Olympics, but men are far better at that too.



i lettered 9 times in highschool sports, and im also undefeated at bean bag toss in my backyard.

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Do you know why they make boy sport teams and girl sport teams as a kid? Because they ain't the same. Yes at school you will do mix sports but school =/= important. Schools are there to make money. If they wanted you to become the better version of yourself, they wouldn't try to put you in huge debts for trying to be the man you want to be. They'd teach you how to and hope you better the community/places you live in/take part of.

In a serious country, we wouldn't ask a clearly mentally ill man what his thoughts were on such an absurd question to begin with.

Homophobia and transphobia isn't fear. It's disgust. When normal people witness homosexuality and gender dysphoria they experience something akin to seeing roadkill or insects.

Stop welcoming clearly insane people to the table.

yeah not sure what that throwaway comment by skinned was about. playing sports (team or individual) in hs is normal for a lot of kids. even i lettered and i was much more focused on studying and working than sports must be his inferiority complex

Just disgusting bigots feel this way, who are roaches themselves worthy of being squashed. That is why you hide your opinions when the lights are on you're afraid of the foot of decency, keeping your personal truth on the internet.

You and endless still have the GOP though.




People who played sports understand it was for personal development and how to play gracefully. People fixated on who wins and loses in these games are losers themselves who clearly are missing the point.

This post was edited by Skinned on May 4 2021 08:57am