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Nov 1 2020 01:02pm
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If you're ignorant of the facts, do your research. I'm not here to educate you. Based on your posts in PaRD over the last several years, I'm not entirely certain that's even possible.


Yeah you would have to be at least a medical doctor or have an advanced PhD.
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Youre still competing with other unions on terms to get the contract in the first place, and when it comes time to renegotiate the contract those other unions are still in mind as replacements.

As long as other unions exist there is no reason to expect they aren't competing.


Lol, "you're competing to not compete." So you compete once, and operate competition-free for 5 years, rinse, repeat? No again from me, dawg. That's not competition.
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Quote (Skinned @ Nov 1 2020 11:02am)
Yeah you would have to be at least a medical doctor or have an advanced PhD.


What a useless post. Show me one person who knows everything and you'll have the first person ever born who can't be educated by damn near anybody. All a PhD. means is that you're highly knowledgeable about a specialized field, and Thor's specialty is obviously NOT politics, or the functioning of state vs private education systems, be they US or Worldwide. Useless twit probably doesn't even understand that the Ivy League are all Private Universities.
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Quote (Santara @ Nov 1 2020 01:05pm)
Lol, "you're competing to not compete." So you compete once, and operate competition-free for 5 years, rinse, repeat? No again from me, dawg. That's not competition.


It's really no different from having a 5 year contract to supply labor or services.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Nov 1 2020 01:02pm)
If you're ignorant of the facts, do your research. I'm not here to educate you. Based on your posts in PaRD over the last several years, I'm not entirely certain that's even possible.
Pay in a market system is based on value of service. Public unions force tax payers to pay more, regardless of quality of service. It's not a non sequitur, it's the entire point.
I don't believe you even know what the words you use mean.


You're the one making the claim. You source it. Your claims aren't trivial or universally accepted. I could very easily find garbage studies that say "private better" and rip them apart, but I'd rather examine the specific reasons why you're making these claims.
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It's really no different from having a 5 year contract to supply labor or services.


Just like how cable companies "compete." They don't, it's a farce, and everyone knows it.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 1 2020 11:10am)
You're the one making the claim. You source it. Your claims aren't trivial or universally accepted. I could very easily find garbage studies that say "private better" and rip them apart, but I'd rather examine the specific reasons why you're making these claims.


As I said, if you do not understand how the state vs private education systems work, you need to research into it. Once you do so, you may be qualified to discuss public sector unions. Likewise, having a basic understanding of police unions, and how those unions have been used to shield inexcusable actions, and even firefighters unions, which are guilty of extreme abuse of volunteer firefighters. Until then, you are simply ignorant and spouting useless nonsense.

Notice I've said nothing about private sector unions other than that most are ineffectual. I'm not against them, there's no reason to abolish them. There's no captive audience, and in the end, there are already enough worker protection laws and regulations in place that they're mostly meaningless. But for all that, if the employees of a business decide to get together and attempt to negotiate better employment terms in a union-like fashion, that's their business. At the corporate level, it typically won't work. At a smaller business, and specialty business level, it can, as no business can function without employees.
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Nov 1 2020 01:36pm
I'm not well-versed on unions, but I believe one of the major issues with unions is that sometimes (such as the case with some teacher's unions) they do more than protect teachers against state power and actually end up competing against other workers/unions for limited state resources. During times of economic downturn previously negotiated terms of a union contract may become untenable, and some unions refuse to engage in a prudent form of compromise. They also sometimes negotiate for levels of benefits that they know the state can't afford in the long run, but because of the structure of unions, they'll get whatever they can that will make members happy and wins them support.

I support unions unequivocally, but that doesn't mean they're without pernicious aspects.
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Nov 1 2020 01:39pm
Quote (Santara @ Nov 1 2020 01:25pm)
Just like how cable companies "compete." They don't, it's a farce, and everyone knows it.


Are you saying private companies can make agreements to not compete with each other and keep prices high at the expense of the consumer?

That doesn't seem like something the free market would allow.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 1 2020 01:39pm)
Are you saying private companies can make agreements to not compete with each other and keep prices high at the expense of the consumer?

That doesn't seem like something the free market would allow.


Funny how that came about due to government regulations, and not competition for the same customers...
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