I'd pick Hillary over Biden if I had the choice to place one in the White House, to be honest.



Building coalitions is a conspiracy apparently.

https://twitter.com/AdamSerwer/status/1235187933956755456



The Trump propagandists are trying to paint Biden as an elderly, moronic dementia patient.

But, as I've said a number of times, do the gaffes really matter? Trump is a testament to the idea they don't. Biden's success is more evidence. My guess is the Trump cult will move off this line of attack eventually, because it won't work. The "Hillary 2.0" attack line makes more sense.

I dont think Trump would have showed up to debate Bernie but if he did you would be correct in that he would use the socialist boogieman lines but Bernie would be way more factual and level headed which imo would look good for him. Joe and Trump will be a yelling match.

Why do you think Trump wouldn't show up against Bernie at a debate?

Trump would have a much easier time debating Comrade than he would Biden.

thing is, biden is clearly not his former self anymore, he's mentally deteriorating, that's just a painfully obvious truth.

to be fair, trump is ALSO a rambling fool, HOWEVER, he will have no problem attacking biden for it, while biden (despite his pride and lack of self-control) won't be firing back as viciously and repeatedly as right wing propaganda will to drive that point home. of course it helps trump that republicans in general care less about that kind of hypocrisy and cheap shots when it comes to ridiculing their political rivals. that was true before 2016 and has escalated rapidly ever since.

so even though i agree that it SHOULDN'T be a a disadvantage for biden (and actually think that he's still significantly more sane, reasonable, and coherent than trump), it simply won't play out that way - they will be playing by different rules...

republicans simply beat democrats in terms of messaging and rallying their troops - if you need any proof for that just look at how "high" trump's approval rating is despite his disastrous blunders and crimes that would have cost ANY dem, no matter how popular, their presidency a couple of times over.

This post was edited by fender on Mar 5 2020 04:08pm

maybe because literally the ONLY thing trump has against bernie is the completely moronic 'comrade' line (that you unsurprisingly swallowed hook, line, and sinker), which is easily debunked as red scare propaganda, while sanders could freely attack trump on all his broken promises (wall, healthcare, trade, taxes, coal jobs...), political blunders (escalation with iran, repeatedly inviting and encouraging foreign interference and blocking to secure elections, being impeached for pressuring an ally at war to get dirt on a political opponent...), and personal shortcomings (corruption, cronyism, self-dealing...).

Argumentation against Trump is hilariously long and super epic, he will probably dodge debate(s), was already invoked some months ago.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Mar 5 2020 04:18pm

I gotta disagree with this take. Trump was very charismatic, much more so than the deteriorating 2020-version of Biden. Trump's policy platform was resonating a lot with the GOP base, while Biden's platform isnt exciting anyone. (Does he even have one, and if yes, can he remember it?) Trump had and still has a masterful command of the news cycle and knows how to play the media like a fiddle. Cant say the same about Biden.

Trump is not proof that gaffes dont matter, he's proof that gaffes can be outweighed if a candidate has enough other qualities. Biden lacks almost all of those qualities.




It's exactly the opposite: Biden's recent surge was more the result of everyone freaking out over Bernie's momentum than Biden's own strength. The fact that it took Biden this awfully long to clear the field, despite all his credentials, is a testament to his weakness, to the serious doubts that a lot of voters and party figures had about him. He was only able to overcome this perceived weakness because all alternatives the party could find were even more flawed.



Biden is not nearly as hated by Republicans as Hillary was, and far less polarizing. Trying to turn him into a Hillary 2.0 wont work. From the perspective of a liberal, he looks like Hillary 2.0. From the perspective of a GOP voter, he's someone quite different.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 5 2020 04:27pm

yeah he’s not Hillary 2.0. Biden’s been on a winning ticket before ffs

Also, Hillary was strongest with coastal people and college-educated voters in suburbs. Biden's strongest appeal is with African Americans and Midwestern, working-class whites. Hillary was the darling of the media and celebrities, while Biden's campaign was faced with indifference or looked down upon by the media.