If the cost of the product is set by capitalists, the cost of the product includes private jets and mansions and fur coats for Stepford wives. I’d rather pay for the feelings of the sick than some rich bitch’s new Birkin bag.

most industries would say "why would we refund you on taxes when medicare tax is gone and you now have guaranteed healthcare rather than what we give you." and they'd laugh it to the bank.



Headline: "Communist suggests CEOs should have to walk to work and wants their wives to freeze to death".

This post was edited by thesnipa on Feb 13 2020 01:06pm

Some industries have really competitive benefits though because they want to attract top talent. The MAXIMUM I've ever had to pay in terms of healthcare premiums is 10%. Often times, I pay exactly zero and my company covers co-pays. Unions also will have to come up with another perk in order to attract members. My point is that these companies will think of SOMETHING in terms of perks. The companies that cover healthcare because they are REQUIRED will pocket the savings.

placed like Oshkosh Truck or Mercury Marine in my area would be in complete chaos if M4A went live. most people would want massive raises and the company would be in a terrible spot. im not even sure what they could offer other than straight cash, which is dangerous in an industry that's rapidly automating.

this is all of course assuming M4A clears the legislature, and i wouldnt bet a nickel that it does.

Yea, I don't know. Maybe they can offer part ownership or something (I'm sure socialist Sanders would love this haha).

If M4A looked like a real possibility under a president sanders, the healthcare industry would deploy the largest propaganda campaign and pressure on senators/congressmen the country has ever seen.

u dont offer part ownership of a company you're already planning on kicking 30-50% of your workforce out of.

Truck for example gets a few billion a year from the US govt to make military trucks. they're loaded, and will be as automated as the autoindustry soon. ive got a buddy who right now puts lugnuts on trucks all day long, he already know's he's not gonna be there long so he's saving up.

Companies trying to attract 'top talent' are still crunching the numbers. I'm assuming they are wanting individuals with at least 10x ROI value on w/e salary+benefits they are earning. I've worked at a couple places that touted they had the best 'culture' and benefits, but they did not have top-talent, actually far from it. Consistent talent YES, but not the stuff of free-lance consulting or profit-sharing minded startups. Kind of annoying actually if a 'top-talent' individual gravitates to a large corporation merely for the benefits, I say that because most large corporations stifle innovation by focusing on profits and margins. But, ya gotta put bread on the table and take care of the family I get it.

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Feb 13 2020 01:51pm

I mean, at that point, that's just accelerating the inevitable. You're going to have to implement a VAT eventually to handle the automation/AI revolution.

correction, you had to implement it 5-10 years ago to handle the revolution. buy bread stock now, the lines will be long comrade. me and my ilk are going to eat the entire US economy and spit out the bones for everyone else to chew on.