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Jan 10 2020 09:14am
Quote (fender @ Jan 9 2020 02:20pm)
1) i'm glad i tought you a new term, it doesn't mean what you think it means though. i'm also glad we seem to agree that it's not even close between american imperialism in the last couple of decades, and whatever iran did in the similar time frame - which makes the picture rather representative of their real record - even if you insist on adding two minor items on the left side in order to call it 'technically incorrect', haha...

2) again, this is pure neocon propaganda. the IAEA stated unequivocally that it had access to ANY facilities in regards to which credible concerns were raised, but also clarified that they had no reason to follow trump's demands, and that they didn't have ANY sign of iran violating the deal. this administration's efforts to sow distrust, by demanding unreasonable and previously not agreed upon items, they KNEW iran would reject out of espionage concerns, was a transparent move to fool ignorant people, and it worked like a charm - thank you for the demonstration.

3) 20 was already incredibly generous - and no matter how desperately you're trying to save face here by failing at math, the simple truth is that your point was simply incorrect. that's the problem with just googling information without knowing the context...


Did you make that image? I have no idea why you're getting so defensive.

Iran is an interventionist power. They intervene in every country where they have the ability to do so. Their regime's ideology is explicitly expansionist.

They obviously don't have the same reach, clout, or impact as the United States, which is a function of Iran being a middling regional power and the United States being the most dominant state in the history of the human race.

This isn't a technicality, the image purports to show a peaceful Iran and warmongerer United States. To anyone with the most shallow understanding of recent history, that's obviously not the case.

The IAEA is contradicted by Iran, straight from the mouths of those who speak for the Supreme Leader.

The IAEA is of the opinion that some access is better than none, and like most organizations jealous to protect what credibility it has.

I personally think that the espionage concerns are rational for Iran to have, but that's beside the point. The IAEA did not inspect military sites, and Iran confirms that they had no right to inspect military sites. The IAEA knew it, which is why they never pressed the issue.
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Jan 10 2020 09:31am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jan 10 2020 08:45am)
Pretty weird to see a 'trusted› d2jsp member delivering a completely partisan and so biased narrative.

Its well known the only 'terrorists' here are usa and their aggressive, historical, foreign policy, turning against them in a new multilateral configuration.

Iran is not a saint, but the assassination of their most important general is definitely an open aggression, an act of war.
Made deliberately to distract from impeachment. So insane. So clear.


this type of over-correction, ala "iran arent terrorists, only america is", plays into why people think you have a sub 60 IQ.

you're aware i hope that it's possible to hate america without taking Iran 12" deep, right?
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Jan 10 2020 09:55am
Quote (thesnipa @ 10 Jan 2020 16:31)
this type of over-correction, ala "iran arent terrorists, only america is", plays into why people think you have a sub 60 IQ.

you're aware i hope that it's possible to hate america without taking Iran 12" deep, right?



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Jan 10 2020 12:11pm
Bellingcat has sourced one of the videos circulating the web to a location in Iran:

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2020/01/09/video-apparently-showing-flight-ps572-missile-strike-geolocated-to-iranian-suburb/

Along with a lot of intelligence agencies around the world confirming the likelihood of a missile strike, it's as good as confirmed right now imo.
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Bellingcat has sourced one of the videos circulating the web to a location in Iran:

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2020/01/09/video-apparently-showing-flight-ps572-missile-strike-geolocated-to-iranian-suburb/

Along with a lot of intelligence agencies around the world confirming the likelihood of a missile strike, it's as good as confirmed right now imo.


victims of automation by what many people are saying :(

what a fucked up situation....
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Jan 10 2020 01:17pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jan 10 2020 08:45am)
Pretty weird to see a 'trusted› d2jsp member delivering a completely partisan and so biased narrative.

Its well known the only 'terrorists' here are usa and their aggressive, historical, foreign policy, turning against them in a new multilateral configuration.

Iran is not a saint, but the assassination of their most important general is definitely an open aggression, an act of war.
Made deliberately to distract from impeachment. So insane. So clear.


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>Honduras (2009)

No.
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Jan 10 2020 02:20pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Jan 10 2020 09:06pm)
>Honduras (2009)

No.


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On 28 November 2010, the organisation WikiLeaks began releasing 251,287 confidential documents, which detail correspondence between the U.S. State Department and U.S. embassies around the world. Among these is a cable written by U.S. Ambassador Hugo Llorens in late July 2009, which analyzes the legality of the removal of Zelaya under the Honduran constitution. Llorens concluded that although Zelaya might "have committed illegalities and...even violated the constitution", "there is no doubt that the military, Supreme Court and National Congress conspired on June 28 in what constituted an illegal and unconstitutional coup against the Executive Branch".[118] The US Congressional Research Service, a non-partisan congressional committee, however found the interpretation and application of the Honduran constitution that led to the removal of Jose Manuel Zelaya Rosales to be legal.[119] Emails released later show that the 2009 removal was supported by Hillary Clinton's State Department by not recognizing it as coup in order to maintain U.S. aid to the Honduran people. Clinton and her team worked behind the scenes to stall military and economic efforts by neighboring countries through the Organization of American States to restore Manuel Zelaya to office. "The OAS meeting today turned into a non-event ― just as we hoped," wrote one senior State Department official, celebrating their success in defusing what they judged would have been a violent or destabilizing restoration.[120] Secretary Clinton had also helped organize elections where she, Latin American leaders and diplomats, in her own words "strategized on a plan to restore order in Honduras and ensure that free and fair elections could be held quickly and legitimately, which would render the question of Zelaya moot".


Gotta agree with you on that one Bogie.

Also, whataboutism is getting old.
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