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Dec 6 2019 02:55pm
Quote (mki @ Dec 6 2019 12:25pm)
If you think taxes are theft, then don't pay them.

Quit your job, go live in the mountains where no one will ever find you, live off the land, and when you get old don't claim social security or medicare.

If you have kids, plan to birth the child yourself, and when you get sick, make sure you have dug yourself a hole so that your corpse can be placed into it and covered.

If you want to participate in a society where other people have responsibilities to that society, that you benefit from whether you realize it or not, then it should be understood that taxes support that system and you have to pay into that system to support it.


A pipe dream I have everyday :) Our taxes are not spent well and support a dysfunctional system which creates the tax-theft sentiment. Especially when you put a lot into the cookie jar, and aren't getting much out of it. I'd like my $10,000 toilet seat now.
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Quote (mki @ Dec 6 2019 10:25am)
If you think taxes are theft, then don't pay them.

Quit your job, go live in the mountains where no one will ever find you, live off the land, and when you get old don't claim social security or medicare.

If you have kids, plan to birth the child yourself, and when you get sick, make sure you have dug yourself a hole so that your corpse can be placed into it and covered.

If you want to participate in a society where other people have responsibilities to that society, that you benefit from whether you realize it or not, then it should be understood that taxes support that system and you have to pay into that system to support it.


#1 Why should someone have to move and quit their job.

#2 My taxes certainly don't cover Birth, Funeral or Medical expenses at least not in the USA. what changes with not paying taxes, I already have to pay for these expenses regardless, none of this is subsidized by my tax dollars.

#3 Can you define "Responsibilities to that society." Not trying be snarky, I'm actually not sure what you mean.

This post was edited by kclla on Dec 6 2019 03:01pm
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Wage theft is theft. Tax subsidization of corporations, farmers, the military, and the wealthy is theft from American workers. Corporations and the wealthy who exploit public infrastructure and pay no taxes on their profits are the real thieves.
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Dec 6 2019 03:07pm
Quote (kclla @ Dec 6 2019 02:56pm)
#1 Why should someone have to move and quit their job.

#2 My taxes certainly don't cover Birth, Funeral or Medical expenses at least not in the USA. what changes with not paying taxes, I already have to pay for these expenses regardless, none of this is subsidized by my tax dollars.

#3 Can you define "Responsibilities to that society." Not trying be snarky, I'm actually not sure what you mean.


1 - same reason I have to move out if I stop paying rent

2 - yes they do lol. They paid for the infrastructure, the education of the doctors, etc. Just because it doesnt directly pay your bill doesnt mean it didnt pay part of the bill.

3 - pretty clearly means at minimum paying taxes, and maybe doing other things for the benefit or at least not harm of others.
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Dec 6 2019 03:09pm
Quote (kclla @ 6 Dec 2019 15:56)
#1 Why should someone have to move.

#2 My taxes certainly don't cover Birth or Funeral expenses at least not in the USA. what changes with not paying taxes, I already have to pay for these expenses regardless none of this is subsidized by my tax dollars.


#1 Unless you feel that you should be able to utilize public projects paid for by tax dollars and not pay into those programs, I guess you could just drain society. The US defense department heavily funded the development of the internet, which you are using to push a narrative that is nothing more than a talking point and makes little to no sense beyond that. Generally, the people who push this narrative fail to consider that there is any benefit to how taxed money is utilized by the government, which is a great talking point for them, until a politician suggests taking their social security away or they get a bill for a cracked wheel on their car because the region they live in couldn't afford to fix the road. Or worse, they find out their medical costs are unaffordable and have no choice other than to die.

#2 Tax dollars absolutely were utilized to develop vaccines, medical research, and medical procedures to improve the birth rate and increase life expectancy. Meaning, there's a good chance that you wouldn't exist today if it weren't for those programs, since you or one of your ancestors would have died from something that is perfectly preventable today.

Quote (RedFromWinter @ 6 Dec 2019 15:55)
A pipe dream I have everyday :) Our taxes are not spent well and support a dysfunctional system which creates the tax-theft sentiment. Especially when you put a lot into the cookie jar, and aren't getting much out of it. I'd like my $10,000 toilet seat now.


The system is perfectly functional... You may argue that it is wasteful and I would have a tendency to agreed. The problem there being that the political party that appeals to voters by suggesting that the system is wasteful, typically does little to nothing to reduce "waste" unless of course it's for programs that the majority of their constituents benefit from.

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Dec 6 2019 03:33pm
Quote (mki @ Dec 6 2019 01:25pm)
If you think taxes are theft, then don't pay them.

Quit your job, go live in the mountains where no one will ever find you, live off the land, and when you get old don't claim social security or medicare.

If you have kids, plan to birth the child yourself, and when you get sick, make sure you have dug yourself a hole so that your corpse can be placed into it and covered.

If you want to participate in a society where other people have responsibilities to that society, that you benefit from whether you realize it or not, then it should be understood that taxes support that system and you have to pay into that system to support it.


Don't like being forced to pay for evil and waste and other policies you hate? then go live in the mountains and don't use any services!
wow what a great idea!

what a mindnumbingly stupid and cliche analysis and suggestion.

Some people would prefer liberty and to peacefully and voluntarily live amongst others. They can contribute by voluntarily offering and receiving goods and services.
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Dec 6 2019 03:42pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ 6 Dec 2019 16:33)
Don't like being forced to pay for evil and waste and other policies you hate?


What makes it evil?

The fact that you don't like doing it or is there something you find objectively evil about it?

Quote (cambovenzi @ 6 Dec 2019 16:33)
then go live in the mountains and don't use any services!
wow what a great idea!


You have a choice... People do it...

Quote (cambovenzi @ 6 Dec 2019 16:33)
Some people would prefer liberty and to peacefully and voluntarily live amongst others. They can contribute by voluntarily offering and receiving goods and services.


I own a business, my job is take money and turn it into more money.

As far as my business is concerned, if I could pay nothing to do that, that's exactly what I would pay. Zero.

I wouldn't pay for squat, I wouldn't pay taxes, and I certainly wouldn't pay the employees.

Wouldn't that be nice? Have a business that is 100% pure profit with zero costs?

But, there's this thing that stops me from doing that, it's called laws.

And since I operate my business lawfully, I have zero issues paying the business taxes, and my personal taxes.

Because that's how society works...

Edit: And if I choose to illegally avoid paying the taxes I owe, that would be theft, as that's money that would be used in programs to benefit YOU, whether you realized it or not. /e

The concept of a society that operates by voluntary contributions is an absolute fantasy and is as about un-American and anti capitalistic as possible.

It would be complete anarchy and absolutely nobody would give squat to anybody.

Tip: I didn't start a business because I wanted to be charitable and neither did anyone else who started one. Even the people who start charities do it out of their own self interests...

This post was edited by mki on Dec 6 2019 03:52pm
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Quote (Plaguefear @ 6 Dec 2019 16:52)
Tax boomers more.


That wouldn't work as most of them have probably reverse mortgaged their home already to pay for their healthcare.
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