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#111
Nov 21 2019 01:46pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Nov 21 2019 01:29pm)
I don't play their game, but i also don't play your game of making up your own definition of words that already have insidious connotations and definitions, and then sticking that label onto people to defend the claims of left wing smear sites and their useful idiots.

Opposition to mass immigration is white nationalism? Are you a white nationalist then? Is it good or no big deal in your opinion?
Cant wait to see what HG makes out of a potentially affirmative response to that line of questioning.

Your own ignorance of the book and its popularity does not make knowing it a good indication that someone is a white nationalist.

New York Times reviewed the book. They loved the message but disliked it 'as a work of art'
The pace was sluggish you see.. and the tone was no good.. characters needed improvement..


Is Ann Coulter a white nationalist for this tweet?
https://i.imgur.com/n60SnrH.png
how about the 1.6k people that liked it? The hundreds of positive reviews on amazon and goodreads?
That argument doesn't seem to be valid.

I'm not here to defend miller or attempt to prove a negative. I'm open to any possibilities.
The correct default position is not to call people white nationalists, racists and neo-nazis over mostly trivial 'evidence' and make believe story time that ties hitler to people for mentioning coolidge or infowars to white nationalism, or to take the word of a site known for heinous smears.


The thing that strikes me as odd is the bold.

are you under the impression that this SPLC article is the first i've known of Miller?

it's the first ive heard of the book, but i've been tracking miller for years from his News appearances and especially from his influence on Trump's tariff based trade policy. when he burst onto the scene i researched him. i thought he was a white nationalist before and after the SPLC article.

i am not here to defend SPLC at all, ive said every step of the way by calling their reporting biased, just not the email source material. ive tried for a few posts to get SPLC out of it altogether, only to be told im defending them. kek.


tbh it just seems like the liberal strategy of weaponizing labeling theory is working well.
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Nov 21 2019 01:52pm
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The thing that strikes me as odd is the bold.

are you under the impression that this SPLC article is the first i've known of Miller?

no

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it's the first ive heard of the book, but i've been tracking miller for years from his News appearances and especially from his influence on Trump's tariff based trade policy. when he burst onto the scene i researched him. i thought he was a white nationalist before and after the SPLC article.

i am not here to defend SPLC at all, ive said every step of the way by calling their reporting biased, just not the email source material. ive tried for a few posts to get SPLC out of it altogether, only to be told im defending them. kek.


tbh it just seems like the liberal strategy of weaponizing labeling theory is working well.


Fair enough. Change the text to 'which serves to defend' and feel free to accept or respond to any of the points and questions in the past several posts

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Nov 21 2019 02:11pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Nov 21 2019 01:52pm)
no



Fair enough. Change the text to 'which serves to defend' and feel free to accept or respond to any of the points and questions in the past several posts


Overall i agree none of the individual items lobbed at Miller prove he's anything. I'm looking at the totality of the evidence spread out over years and making a judgement call.

i was just more curious what your judgement call would be, not what you can prove or not prove. maybe you arent in the business of making judgement calls, im certainly not irl, but in pard i have no problem making and later recanting snap judgement based on a pile of stuff.

overall i think Miller is a white nationalist, that he traffics in some alt right propaganda circles, that he thinks of Camp of Saints as more than a stylized art piece on culture clash, and that his policy is based on more than economics and welfare fiscal responsibility. but i dont think he's a violent white nationalist, nor that any of these items in a vacuum proves much of anything.
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Nov 21 2019 03:00pm
Quote (White Nationalist Apologist @ 21 Nov 2019 20:29)
I'm not here to defend miller or attempt to prove a negative. I'm open to any possibilities.


that's why your first post in this thread was an attack on the outlet reporting on these mails, quoting far right smear sites (the irony) to do that.
that's why in your third post here you portray miller's suggestion to breitbart, to draw parallels between the immigration situation and the white genocide narrative in 'camp of the saints', as "award-winning book recommendation".

how very fair and balanced of you, totally not a biased spin there...

your posts speak for themselves. no amount of backpedaling and rationalising will hide that ugly truth. stephen miller is a white nationalist, and you're making excuses for him. you're not "open", you're a far right hack, a white nationalist apologist.

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Nov 21 2019 06:01pm
Fenderp drank the fake news cool aid
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Nov 21 2019 06:18pm
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that's why your first post in this thread was an attack on the outlet reporting on these mails, quoting far right smear sites (the irony) to do that.
that's why in your third post here you portray miller's suggestion to breitbart, to draw parallels between the immigration situation and the white genocide narrative in 'camp of the saints', as "award-winning book recommendation".

how very fair and balanced of you, totally not a biased spin there...

your posts speak for themselves. no amount of backpedaling and rationalising will hide that ugly truth. stephen miller is a white nationalist, and you're making excuses for him. you're not "open", you're a far right hack, a white nationalist apologist.


Someone can point out you cited a scum-tier source without being a fan of Miller, HG

Questioning whether someone actually is a white nationalist or not based on the evidence and nonsensical claims provided is not being an apologist for white nationalism.


Try to wrap your tiny brain around those simple concepts
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#117
Nov 21 2019 06:34pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Nov 21 2019 07:18pm)
Someone can point out you cited a scum-tier source without being a fan of Miller, HG

Questioning whether someone actually is a white nationalist or not based on the evidence and nonsensical claims provided is not being an apologist for white nationalism.


Try to wrap your tiny brain around those simple concepts


The things I posted was just from his public behaviors.

One man's white identity politics is another man's white nationalism.

Seems like you guys are arguing over labels.
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Nov 21 2019 06:48pm
Quote (White Nationalist Apologist @ 22 Nov 2019 01:18)
Someone can point out you cited a scum-tier source without being a fan of Miller, HG

Questioning whether someone actually is a white nationalist or not based on the evidence and nonsensical claims provided is not being an apologist for white nationalism.


Try to wrap your tiny brain around those simple concepts


i'm sure 'someone can' - not you though. what you did was link a "scum-tier source" in order to deflect from the points that were made about miller, completely ignoring the substance.

and then you engaged in mental gymnastics (rationalising miller's attempt to push the white genocide conspiracy as 'recommending an award-winning book') to make excuses for him. that was YOUR choice, so stop trying to re-write history, you white nationalist apologist.
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#119
Nov 21 2019 07:00pm
For the record Ann Coulter is awful and i would like to punch her adam's apple.

/edit inc Excellence "typical leftie homophobic advocating violence against transgendered individuals /reported" preempted

This post was edited by Skinned on Nov 21 2019 07:02pm
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Nov 21 2019 07:23pm
Quote (Skinned @ 22 Nov 2019 02:00)
For the record Ann Coulter is awful and i would like to punch her adam's apple.

/edit inc Excellence "typical leftie homophobic advocating violence against transgendered individuals /reported" preempted


Great post my friend
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