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Oct 25 2019 08:50am
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 25 2019 10:45am)
the house is stalling under the rules that they are not breaking to draw impeachment out because they know they wont have the votes to pass it but the political implications of doing the impeachment could help in the 2020 race. duh.




Yeah, they are falsely accusing the President of the US to help in the election. The same thing they're accusing Trump of doing to accurately accuse Biden of his illegal BS... that we HAVE a tape of him admitting.
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Oct 25 2019 08:51am
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 25 2019 10:45am)
the house is stalling under the rules that they are not breaking to draw impeachment out because they know they wont have the votes to pass it but the political implications of doing the impeachment could help in the 2020 race. duh.


They've been interviewing people every week... I don't see how it can be argued they are stalling. The reporting I've read indicates they want to do this quick, because Americans are too stupid to follow stories longer than a few months.

Trump will be impeached, but it's highly unlikely he'll be removed.

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Quote (Ghot @ Oct 25 2019 09:50am)
Yeah, they are falsely accusing the President of the US to help in the election. The same thing they're accusing Trump of doing to accurately accuse Biden of his illegal BS... that we HAVE a tape of him admitting.


what are they falsely accusing him of? they're currently gathering evidence for the official accusation. that happens in impeachment, not before.

this, like many issues, is just a problem you have with legalities and order of operations. when you dont like the outcome it's illegal and unfair. if this was Obama you'd be clapping. you're just an angry old man with no consistency.

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They've been interviewing people every week... I don't see how it can be argued they are stalling. The reporting I've read indicates they want to do this quick, because Americans are too stupid to follow stories longer than a few months.

Trump will be impeached, but it's highly unlikely he'll be removed.


i dont believe for one minute they'll rush through something we all can agree wont pass. the only reason to do it if it wont pass is to politically harm trump. in fairness i dont consider that dirty pool if they are doing it as a way to remove him via non-reelection. as in, they cant get impeachment to pass, so push it on and make him lose in 2020 as a result. i'm not saying it will go down exactly like that, shit can change day to day, but imo that's the strategy.
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Oct 25 2019 09:01am
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what are they falsely accusing him of? they're currently gathering evidence for the official accusation. that happens in impeachment, not before.


They are accusing him of quid pro quo, which didn't happen. No matter how many folk they brow beat in SECRET hearings to spew a bunch of crap that the DEMs can spin to their benefit, doesn't change the fact that they have NOTHING.

This is Russiagate 2.0 ...nothing more.

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Oct 25 2019 09:01am
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 25 2019 10:31am)
doesnt it get tiring to have every PARD exchange go the same way?

people rag you for your opinions and you just go back into "these are the facts, you guys can't change those" as if most people are trying to.

people use nuance to try and add context to the fact, sometimes alter them to be more accurate, etc. you do the same thing when you write them, you fluff them up with language that takes them solely from facts and adds embellishment to make them near facts. then when people try to do the same you just go into "you can't refute my facts" mode and unplug. because you have unpopular opinions that you can't convince almost anyone of. so you stick to ABC facts with a sprinkle on top.



I have no problem with nuance or context.
You falsely claimed I was refuted.
Going into a diatribe against me personally does not change the fact that you were wrong and in the wrong.

Congressmen opposing the Schiff-led sham who entered the room were characterized as terrible, and people were advocating they should be removed from office.

I added relevant facts to the discussion and voiced my own opinion.

Yes I think the fact that it is led by schiff, who constantly lies about important classified information, is extremely relevant.
Do you disagree? Is it no big deal?

By your own admission my post was factual.
The responses were: "You dont care about truth"
and
'It's amusing that people like yourself, who pretend to not support the president, buy into the political chaff his propagandists throw up'


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as to the false claims bit, give me a break.

You lied and said I don't criticize republicans.
No break given.


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you've moved right, everyone knows it. you rag on the left hard now. it used to look like you were just anti-president when Obama was in office for 8 years. nope. you're just a right wing leaning libertarian. nothing wrong with that, just dont try to claim near center because literally no one's buying ocean views in Kansas. just accept your place cam. you're a republican now who votes libertarian if the ticket look good. but i'd bet my bank account you vote trump in 2020 with how shitty the lib ticket looks.

i think overall you just need to get more comfortable with presenting opinions, rather than trying to get people to argue facts with you. jay is gone, so if you're not going at Fender maybe just post memes? no one really wants to do the 5 page spam wars with you anymore. not because that's dead in pard, because your opinions are rigid and you maintain a false claim of centrism that doesnt ring nearly true. anyways, good luck getting people to argue with you.


I have remained a staunch libertarian the entire time.
I have never claimed that I am a centrist or that libertarianism is center.
I have been extremely open about the fact that the modern left is much more radically opposed to libertarian values than the republicans on many issues, especially as they move toward advocacy of socialism, more authoritarianism and SJWism while abandoning classical liberalism and civil libertarianism.


Whining that i rag on the left too much isn't an argument. Criticizing the left is perfectly compatible with libertarianism.
Criticizing a bad actor that lies about important classified information is compatible with being a decent human being.


Cant argue the points? Dont want to admit you were wrong? Just lie about me and attack me personally, while espousing ignorant misrepresentations of libertarianism. Classy.
Lets see if you triple down.

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I have no problem with nuance or context.
You falsely claimed I was refuted.
Going into a diatribe against me personally does not change the fact that you were wrong and in the wrong.

Congressmen opposing the Schiff-led sham who entered the room were characterized as terrible, and people were advocating they should be removed from office.

I added relevant facts to the discussion and voiced my own opinion.

Yes I think the fact that it is led by schiff, who constantly lies about important classified information, is extremely relevant.
Do you disagree? Is it no big deal?

By your own admission my post was factual.
The responses were: "You dont care about truth"
and
'It's amusing that people like yourself, who pretend to not support the president, buy into the political chaff his propagandists throw up'



You lied and said I don't criticize republicans.
No break given.




I have remained a staunch libertarian the entire time.
I have never claimed that I am a centrist or that libertarianism is center.
I have been extremely open about the fact that the modern left is much more radically opposed to libertarian values than the republicans on many issues, especially as they move toward advocacy of socialism, more authoritarianism and SJWism while abandoning classical liberalism and civil libertarianism.


Whining that i rag on the left too much isn't an argument. Criticizing the left is perfectly compatible with libertarianism.
Criticizing a bad actor that lies about important classified information is compatible with being a decent human being.


Cant argue the points? Dont want to admit you were wrong? Just lie about me and attack me personally, while espousing ignorant misrepresentations of libertarianism. Classy.
Lets see if you triple down.


yet another case of you being overly semantic. when people say "cam doesnt hit the right" they dont mean in an absolute sense. they mean the totality of your post clearly lean heavily right.

the fact that you take lines like that and make paragraphs long posts from them is pretty good evidence why you dont get play in PARD like when Jay was here. he liked that shit, fender likes that shit, most other people yawn at it. sometimes i dont, but today it's just a bit nauseating.

why would i go point for point on facts requiring hours of research for a pard talk with a guy who takes things so literally against all common sense? how will defining Schiff's use of classified info be easier than establishing you lean heavily right? lol.

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Oct 25 2019 09:34am
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yet another case of you being overly semantic. when people say "cam doesnt hit the right" they dont mean in an absolute sense. they mean the totality of your post clearly lean heavily right.

the fact that you take lines like that and make paragraphs long posts from them is pretty good evidence why you dont get play in PARD like when Jay was here. he liked that shit, fender likes that shit, most other people yawn at it. sometimes i dont, but today it's just a bit nauseating.


You being an arrogant twat after you make false claims about me is what I find tiresome.

Yes i criticize the left more than the right.
Whats the problem? Cry about it more.

Pretending im a republican partisan who doesn't criticize republicans is inaccurate, even if the latter meant as an exaggeration.
Claiming i pretend i'm a centrist is inaccurate. Insinuating criticizing the left isn't libertarian or is invalid for libertarians is inaccurate.
None of the above are relevant to the discussion. Just convenient, petty distractions to deflect from you being wrong about other things I already covered.
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Oct 25 2019 09:37am
Quote (cambovenzi @ Oct 25 2019 10:34am)
You being an arrogant twat after you make false claims about me is what I find tiresome.

Yes i criticize the left more than the right.
Whats the problem? Cry about it more.

Pretending im a republican partisan who doesn't criticize republicans is inaccurate, even if the latter meant as an exaggeration.
Claiming i pretend i'm a centrist is inaccurate. Insinuating criticizing the left isn't libertarian or is invalid for libertarians is inaccurate.
None of the above are relevant to the discussion. Just convenient, petty distractions to deflect from you being wrong about other things I already covered.


You being on the right doesnt factor into your position of something going against the right that the right made possible? what an odd take on personal bias....

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Oct 25 2019 09:38am
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 25 2019 11:37am)
You being on the right doesnt factor into your position of something going against the right that the right made possible? what an odd take on personal bias....


Is that what I said?

what an odd take on personal accountability for being wrong...
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Oct 25 2019 09:42am
Quote (Ghot @ Oct 25 2019 09:01am)
They are accusing him of quid pro quo, which didn't happen. No matter how many folk they brow beat in SECRET hearings to spew a bunch of crap that the DEMs can spin to their benefit, doesn't change the fact that they have NOTHING.

This is Russiagate 2.0 ...nothing more.


Hey dont jump the gun buddy.

I guess all of the people testifying under oath are lying?
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