Quote (ThatAlex @ Nov 8 2018 01:24pm)

I don't think you can blame the NRA for this stuff. They certainly play a role in making firearms more accessible, but to draw a direct link between that lobbyism and these gun violence episodes is quite a leap as there are many steps involved. Perhaps they should receive partial blame, but gun violence in America is a complicated, deep-rooted problem that probably has a lot of complicated factors involved.

And we have had serious discussions about gun violence. We are just struggling to figure out how to solve something so complicated. Taking all the guns away isn't going to work. Implementing more background and safety checks might decrease these mass shootings a little, but I think many would probably be surprised by how little. There's a lot of shit going on here.

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Quote (IgoSoHard @ Nov 9 2018 03:11pm)

Agree’d. We need to be having sensible conversations about gun violence. Contributing it all to the NRA is some low information nonsense.

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Quote (thesnipa @ 8 Nov 2018 16:04)

want to have a serious discussion about gun control? ok, just answer these two questions, and admittedly subquestions.

1.) Democrats regularly call for "training classes" being required to buy a gun, so that owners are more responsible. What percent of Democratic gun owners do you think have taken Hunter's safety or a similar training class? Followup, answer the same for republicans. Lastly, answer for both parties when it comes to hands on training from family members, as opposed to going to a store and just buying a gun.

2.) What percent of violent gun crimes do you think are committed by Democrats, as compared to Republicans. What percent of violent crimes with illegally obtained guns are committed by democrats, versus republicans?


put the two together and you'll have a logical reason why the GOP doesnt want to have the talk. It's a discussion so that Democrats can take guns from everyone so they can stop the Democratic criminals who don't get training and overwhelmingly own the illegal firearms supply in this country. Meanwhile Republicans overwhelmingly take more training classes and own far less % of the illegal guns. Democrats can't police themselves, so they come after everyone, then blame the other side for not helping them police themselves.

If racism and misogyny are a right winged problem, that the right wing is responsible for changing, then gun issues are a left wing problem, and they're responsible for fixing it. so far they have no ideas on how to change their own stats without putting a chokehold on everyone.

Quote (fender @ Nov 9 2018 04:37pm)

i don't know. what are the percentages? do you have a source for that kind of stuff because i tried to google it and couldn't find anything...

Quote (FGdumpster @ 9 Nov 2018 23:49)

How many camo-wearing, ex-military, religious, employed* chubby old dudes that live in the suburbs/rural areas are mowing people down in schools, the inner city, or in drug turf wars?

Because that’s who’s gun you want to take.

Quote (fender @ Nov 9 2018 05:06pm)

that doesn't really answer my question for sources, but it's an interesting approach. how many of those boxes would you have to check to keep your guns? young people (which age exactly?) and people who never served don't get to keep them according to your 'plan'? no guns for atheists and slim people?

wasn't the latest shooter an ex marine? the vegas shooter was old and chubby, and likely fulfilled some more of your criteria - it almost seems like you're not really proposing an actual solution, but rather vaguely suggesting that only certain types of people should be protected by the 2nd amendment...