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Sep 10 2018 11:32am
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many highly intelligent people hold earnest bigoted positions, Bobby Fischer would be a great example. that said Ghot is not intelligent, but completely earnest. I think we get on a bad road though when we dismiss his positions as Troll positions that should be discounted. Rings to me of the deplatforming that serves no one.


But we can't just address every stupid thing anyone believes. Especially if it's easily disproved with a simple google search. Some things are just too dumb to bother wasting time with. It's not 'deplatforming'. It's saying that someone who clearly knows fuck all about a subject isn't worth arguing with over that subject until they've learned more about it. If they can't learn any more because of some mental block or illness then that's tough really. Doesn't mean we have to take their opinions seriously or even give them the time of day. The only thing worth saying maybe is 'That's wrong. Go look it up.' Those that can't manage that are never going to change their silly beliefs anyway.
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Sep 10 2018 11:36am
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 10 2018 10:27am)
many highly intelligent people hold earnest bigoted positions, Bobby Fischer would be a great example. that said Ghot is not intelligent, but completely earnest. I think we get on a bad road though when we dismiss his positions as Troll positions that should be discounted. Rings to me of the deplatforming that serves no one.


It also bothers me that the term troll is being watered down and depreciated when it's used to describe earnest but stupid positions. Call dumb dumb and stop insulting good trolls by conflating them with the poorly informed, irrational, or talentless spammers/flamers.
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Sep 10 2018 11:38am
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It also bothers me that the term troll is being watered down and depreciated when it's used to describe earnest but stupid positions. Call dumb dumb and stop insulting good trolls by conflating them with the poorly informed, irrational, or talentless spammers/flamers.


being? It's been watered down for fucking years.

and as I said - earnestness is irrelevant as you can't actually tell whether someone's an idiot or really good at pretending to be an idiot. Functionally it's the same regardless.

As for insulting trolls? Who cares? It's what they live for. They should be lapping it up.
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Sep 10 2018 11:42am
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It also bothers me that the term troll is being watered down and depreciated when it's used to describe earnest but stupid positions. Call dumb dumb and stop insulting good trolls by conflating them with the poorly informed, irrational, or talentless spammers/flamers.


this.

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being? It's been watered down for fucking years.

and as I said - earnestness is irrelevant as you can't actually tell whether someone's an idiot or really good at pretending to be an idiot. Functionally it's the same regardless.

As for insulting trolls? Who cares? It's what they live for. They should be lapping it up.


but earnestness is the defining characteristic of a troll, they don't mean what they say.

this same lack of context is what leads people to claim racism is on the rise and cite Xbox live studies of 12 year olds shouting nigger indiscriminately. whether they mean it is a big deal.

u can choose to set a threshold of intelligence for the right to speak to you, but let's be honest, you get your kicks out of shouting down people you don't find smart all the time. you're not even close to consistent on this front. If i made an alt account as a young earth creationist i could have you spouting geological studies inside of 5 post.
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Sep 10 2018 12:21pm
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this.



but earnestness is the defining characteristic of a troll, they don't mean what they say.

this same lack of context is what leads people to claim racism is on the rise and cite Xbox live studies of 12 year olds shouting nigger indiscriminately. whether they mean it is a big deal.

u can choose to set a threshold of intelligence for the right to speak to you, but let's be honest, you get your kicks out of shouting down people you don't find smart all the time. you're not even close to consistent on this front. If i made an alt account as a young earth creationist i could have you spouting geological studies inside of 5 post.


I engage trolls because I find the conversations are often interesting and worth having. Even if their arguments are ridiculous I learn a lot by arguing against them. Arguing against flat earthers, evolution deniers, YECs and even just regular Christians has benefitted me greatly. At no point should any of their positions be taken seriously however. They're all as ridiculous as eachother... Excepting straight up Christians. They're slightly less ridiculous than YECs and Flat Earthers... but only slightly.
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Sep 10 2018 12:25pm
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I engage trolls because I find the conversations are often interesting and worth having. Even if their arguments are ridiculous I learn a lot by arguing against them. Arguing against flat earthers, evolution deniers, YECs and even just regular Christians has benefitted me greatly. At no point should any of their positions be taken seriously however. They're all as ridiculous as eachother... Excepting straight up Christians. They're slightly less ridiculous than YECs and Flat Earthers... but only slightly.


i agree, i just find that sentiment and "are worthy only of mocking dismissal or being ignored" to be not the same. i prefer the spotlight to sweeping under the rug or jokes at their expense. although i should say jokes are their expense is a good idea regardless.
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Sep 10 2018 01:17pm


People that are of the impression that they have been appointed judge over other people, when they haven't, really need some expert help.
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Sep 10 2018 01:19pm
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People that are of the impression that they have been appointed judge over other people, when they haven't, really need some expert help.


says the guy that thinks we should be arrested/killed/deported for the high crime of having different opinions on political topics
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Sep 10 2018 01:20pm
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People that are of the impression that they have been appointed judge over other people, when they haven't, really need some expert help.


And when the judge and jury decide you'll say we need to wait for the appeal. Like before.

I hope personally she does have a good reason. I just have no illusions that it would matter to u if she did. She could admit she did it in purpose for no reason and you'd blamed the darky.
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says the guy that thinks we should be arrested/killed/deported for the high crime of having different opinions on political topics


You should be deported.

...wait a minute...
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