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Mar 9 2018 01:03pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ Mar 9 2018 02:01pm)
What does paying federal taxes have to do with interstate commerce?

They also do pay federal taxes, which they can't receive benefits like SS, MC, MA from. So they are actually paying more federal taxes that they have no access to benefits from than a citizen in the same income bracket.




It has nothing to do with Interstae commerce. LOL

It does have to do with all the OTHER US Citizens that pay federal taxes, and expect those federal taxes to improve their lives via the US govt.
When you have millions of illegal aliens NOT paying federal taxes, it means everyone else's federal taxes, don't go as far, don't buy as much...etc.



/e This is for your BS edit. They do not pay federal taxes. That would be like a pot dealer calling the cops cause someone stole his pot.
As soon as an illegal alien, identified himself to the IRS, the govt. (these days) would deport him or her.

That's the whole argument with California at the moment. That California is not identifying known illegal aliens when the US govt, asks for that information.
IF the IRS had that info, via federal tax returns, the Fed wouldn't HAVE to ask California for that info.

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Quote (inkanddagger @ Mar 9 2018 11:57am)
They do pay taxes though. And California has passed laws specifically to bring immigrants into the state income tax system as well as the property taxes and sales taxes they already pay.


if no one paid taxes ..the wealthiest would have to pay for armies to protect their over seas interest ..1,000 bases in 80 countries ... and rest of us would need to teach our kids to become doctors so we can get medical care.. and grow food.. boom problem solved . And if we get invaders here we can all join that army .. wealthiest own everything so they can pay to protect it..But no now they pay less taxes and we pay for everything .. like we own anything to protect . :wacko:
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Quote (Ghot @ Mar 9 2018 12:03pm)
It has nothing to do with Interstae commerce. LOL

It does have to do with all the OTHER US Citizens that pay federal taxes, and expect those federal taxes to improve their lives via the US govt.
When you have millions of illegal aliens NOT paying federal taxes, it means everyone else's federal taxes, don't go as far, don't buy as much...etc.


That's a pitiful argument to make when California pays more federal taxes than any other state and supports your veteran care, childhood healthcare programs, infrastructure repair, etc. Especially if you're in a red state. And our tax base is bolstered by immigrants paying taxes. Those are illegal immigrant tax dollars paying to fix potholes in your backwater state. If the argument could be made that state tax contributions can be regulated under Interstate Commerce, then every state except California is in violation and needs to pay more federal taxes immediately.

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That's a pitiful argument to make when California pays more federal taxes than any other state and supports your veteran care, childhood healthcare programs, infrastructure repair, etc. Especially if you're in a red state. And our tax base is bolstered by immigrants paying taxes. Those are illegal immigrant tax dollars paying to fix potholes in your backwater state. If the argument could be made that state tax contributions can be regulated under Interstate Commerce, then every state except California is in violation and needs to pay more federal taxes immediately.




It doesn't matter, Cali has more people too.
Everyone has to pay Federal taxes. That's the law. And it's also ...fair.
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1950 the 1% got taxed 90% ... now less then 10%? in some cases less then 4% ... And here comes Trump going make it better.. With tax breaks for the wealthiest :blink:
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Quote (doomchaser @ Mar 9 2018 02:15pm)
1950 the 1% got taxed 90% ... now less then 10%? in some cases less then 4% ... And here comes Trump going make it better.. With tax breaks for the wealthiest :blink:




This is 2018, this topic is about illegal aliens and California harboring them so they can't be deported.
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It doesn't matter, Cali has more people too.
Everyone has to pay Federal taxes. That's the law. And it's also ...fair.


That's demonstrably not true. Lots of rich people not only don't pay federal taxes, they get free money from the federal government due to itemization and loss accounting. Wealth is quite literally being redistributed from the poor and middle classes to wealthy individuals and, most especially, corporations. But they trick gullible people like you into believing their false narrative to keep us from uniting and throwing off their chains.
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Quote (Ghot @ Mar 9 2018 12:18pm)
This is 2018, this topic is about illegal aliens and California harboring them so they can't be deported.


California told the federal government to use the tax dollars we already paid them to enforce their own laws in whatever way they legally can. We aren't preventing the federal government from coming in here, but we certainly won't allow a dime of our resources to illegally bolster their efforts through taxation without representation.

You would have been a Tory during the American Revolution. I hope you know that.

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That's demonstrably not true. Lots of rich people not only don't pay federal taxes, they get free money from the federal government due to itemization and loss accounting. Wealth is quite literally being redistributed from the poor and middle classes to wealthy individuals and, most especially, corporations. But they trick gullible people like you into believing their false narrative to keep us from uniting and throwing off their chains.




Care to elaborate? Sure a lot of rich people avoid taxes, heck most people will do tax avoidance (not evasion).
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Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 9 2018 02:25pm)
illegal immigration takes jobs from legal citizens.



illegal marijuana takes jobs from legal citizens.


its not the apples comparison the thread started with, but it is directly an apples to apples comparison in many senses. not to mention we're talking about the supremacy clause's validity to override state law. another apples aspect.

feel free to put your fingers in your ears if you need to tho.



so is harboring illegal aliens. started to get it?



ftfy



We all agreed on this 15 years ago

Obama turned you guys into psychos :wacko:
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