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You could have just said the last two sentences there. I believe that the problems are real. Earlier when I said we disagree, this is what I meant. There is no need to use the Islam analogy, because arguments by analogy are the weakest kind. I want the police to quit killing and arresting blacks at disproportinate rates. I want courts to give them fair trials. I want prisons to not be places where blacks or any human are locked into servitude for the profits of another like our prisons. Since BLM is linked to queer and trans rights it is a liberation movement for all people.
And I want blacks to stop making police have to kill and arrest them at disproportionate rates.
But clearly there's not much point to engaging now on the actual meat of whether the perception is real or not. I've laid out my stats and reasoning in the past, you've said your piece
What's at issue here is recognizing that whether or not its justified, black lives matter is an anti-police hate group. Their efforts are not targeted at uplifting black people or providing services, they're targeted at tearing down police, punishing them by bringing 'social justice' upon them.
And that anti-police rhetoric very plainly crosses into overt hatred and anger. No PR face can change that. Justifying it and denying it are two different things. That popular hatred has provoked rioting, that media narrative has inspired ambush murders of police.
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The best thing is that nobody loses.
Except the police. That's the point.
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I dunno, maybe blacks should quit committing crimes at disproportionate rates?
I'm not saying cops never make mistakes, but I wouldn't say it's a disproportionate amount.
If you follow some of our previously ramblings, it actually
is arguably disproportionate police shootings on racial lines, just in the other direction, ie white people are more likely to get shot by police than would follow metrics like violent crime and murder rates, police interactions, etc
Blacks are shot about 2.8x more per capita than whites, but blacks commit 7.5x more murders per capita. I don't know what's a better metric for how often someone can escalate to life or death situations, but proportionate to criminality the narrative at least falls apart.
This post was edited by Goomshill on Aug 22 2017 08:00pm