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Nov 9 2016 12:10pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ Nov 9 2016 01:10pm)
Apparently paying protesters to incite riots and violence at opposing rallies isn't a good look.


dude starting race wars is definitely how you win the election.
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Nov 9 2016 12:11pm
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dude starting race wars is definitely how you win the election.


both sides fanned that flame. so yes, it is the way.
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Nov 9 2016 12:13pm
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both sides fanned that flame. so yes, it is the way.


and yet the violence was pretty one sided this year, just like the extremist rhetoric.
Two opposite actions in inequal measures aren't equivalent
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Nov 9 2016 12:19pm
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and yet the violence was pretty one sided this year, just like the extremist rhetoric.
Two opposite actions in inequal measures aren't equivalent


"the violence was one sided"

please lmk what you mean there. i for the life of me don't know what you're talking about.

as to extremist rhetoric, i'd like a further clarification there too.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 9 2016 01:19pm)
"the violence was one sided"

please lmk what you mean there. i for the life of me don't know what you're talking about.

as to extremist rhetoric, i'd like a further clarification there too.


physical violence was definitely heavier on one side, though existed on both.

rhetoric was pretty heavy on both sides.
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Nov 9 2016 12:22pm
Quote (Mangix @ Nov 9 2016 12:20pm)
physical violence was definitely heavier on one side, though existed on both.

rhetoric was pretty heavy on both sides.


if you're saying what i think i agree, if you're saying what i think you're not saying i disagree.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 9 2016 12:19pm)
"the violence was one sided"
please lmk what you mean there. i for the life of me don't know what you're talking about.


There have been repeated incidents of radical left motivated political violence this year resulting in numerous fatalities, pretty much every few weeks, and I've been commenting on it all year.
When the angry mobs rampage through the streets and burn shit down and loots businesses and its politically motivated, the clintons no more get to deny accountability for a movement than trump does for his supporters.
The right had a few incidents, but relatively few by comparison, and as little as "an old fart taking a sucker punch at a rally" got national press, while an angry mob swarming a pro-trump homeless woman squatting his hollywood square was far worse.

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as to extremist rhetoric, i'd like a further clarification there too.

Politicians and political commentators on the left have been taking apocalyptic tones of disrespect and utter condemnation of Trump and making him out to be the bastardized chimera of adolf hitler's decapitated head stapled to a satanic demon spider.
How many times have I heard that Trump is "dangerous" or "unstable" or "sexist" or "racist" or so on, all wildly exaggerated smears to fit the HRC attack agenda while vilifying Trump as a chariacture of himself rather than attacking him on substantive arguments?

Trump's fanning the racist south for support has been mild in contrast to the open hate speech and talk of assassinating him that goes on in leftist circles. I could go on twitter right now and see stuff like this all over:
https://twitter.com/CWCSonichu/status/796268203618004992
The left has been increasingly violent and intolerant and uncompromising. It can justify this based on what it perceives as noble intentions and demonization of the other side; "They're the racists, we're the champions of peace and equality, therefore they should die".


When you are intolerant of opposing viewpoints and would rather demonize the other side and call for stringing them up than engaging them, thats when violence is provoked. Both sides have done that. But the right been pretty tame in it, things like "Put hillary in jail for her crimes" doesn't rise to the level of "Trump is Hitler and needs to be stopped". Hillary and surrogates can cry foul and try to twist trumps worlds to try to make it look like he's far more extreme than he is ala the "2nd amendment people" comments, but all that serves is to demonize trump while his intent of not trying to provoke violence was plain. That puts the left in the wrong and the right in the right

This post was edited by Goomshill on Nov 9 2016 12:34pm
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Quote (Pollster @ 21 Oct 2016 16:15)
So if Comey gives you the wrong impression, either accidentally or just due to your own poor judgment, that Scenario A is true, and then when he's afforded more time to elaborate he makes it emphatically clear that not only is Scenario A not true but that Scenario B IS true, you feel you're entitled to go on believing that Scenario A really is true, regardless of what he said at the later juncture, solely because it comports better with the alternate reality you live in?

Good to know.


Comey was right
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Nov 20 2016 06:31pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 10 2016 05:30am)
There have been repeated incidents of radical left motivated political violence this year resulting in numerous fatalities, pretty much every few weeks, and I've been commenting on it all year.
When the angry mobs rampage through the streets and burn shit down and loots businesses and its politically motivated, the clintons no more get to deny accountability for a movement than trump does for his supporters.
The right had a few incidents, but relatively few by comparison, and as little as "an old fart taking a sucker punch at a rally" got national press, while an angry mob swarming a pro-trump homeless woman squatting his hollywood square was far worse.


Politicians and political commentators on the left have been taking apocalyptic tones of disrespect and utter condemnation of Trump and making him out to be the bastardized chimera of adolf hitler's decapitated head stapled to a satanic demon spider.
How many times have I heard that Trump is "dangerous" or "unstable" or "sexist" or "racist" or so on, all wildly exaggerated smears to fit the HRC attack agenda while vilifying Trump as a chariacture of himself rather than attacking him on substantive arguments?

Trump's fanning the racist south for support has been mild in contrast to the open hate speech and talk of assassinating him that goes on in leftist circles. I could go on twitter right now and see stuff like this all over:
https://twitter.com/CWCSonichu/status/796268203618004992
The left has been increasingly violent and intolerant and uncompromising. It can justify this based on what it perceives as noble intentions and demonization of the other side; "They're the racists, we're the champions of peace and equality, therefore they should die".


When you are intolerant of opposing viewpoints and would rather demonize the other side and call for stringing them up than engaging them, thats when violence is provoked. Both sides have done that. But the right been pretty tame in it, things like "Put hillary in jail for her crimes" doesn't rise to the level of "Trump is Hitler and needs to be stopped". Hillary and surrogates can cry foul and try to twist trumps worlds to try to make it look like he's far more extreme than he is ala the "2nd amendment people" comments, but all that serves is to demonize trump while his intent of not trying to provoke violence was plain. That puts the left in the wrong and the right in the right


Trump directly called for shillary to be assassinated though..
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Nov 20 2016 07:13pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ 20 Nov 2016 20:31)
Trump directly called for shillary to be assassinated though..

wrong
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