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Mar 24 2016 08:41am
Quote (Mangix @ Mar 24 2016 08:36am)
Like any poll there is a margin of error, but it seems like you're saying polls in general are hog wash, when polls have proven to be rather creepishly accurate. The variables you're mentioning don't really matter (legal system, gov structure, etc).

1) where do you live? (france)

2) do you consider yourself to be muslim? yes

3) how old are you?

3) do you support isis?

many variable

such explosion

much jihad


i was referencing the Sharia Law poll with those variable where they apply much more. TBH that isis poll is far closer to the mark than the Sharia polls now that i'm reading through it. I still question any poll, mainly on the grounds that polls frame a hypothetical that most people realize they wont actually be forced to put into action. How many people mentally support ISIS and how many people would willingly and physically support ISIS are much different numbers.
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i was referencing the Sharia Law poll with those variable where they apply much more. TBH that isis poll is far closer to the mark than the Sharia polls now that i'm reading through it. I still question any poll, mainly on the grounds that polls frame a hypothetical that most people realize they wont actually be forced to put into action. How many people mentally support ISIS and how many people would willingly and physically support ISIS are much different numbers.


Ohh okay, that clears that up then and makes a lot more sense. Yes you would definitely need government related variables for that.

And yes, its more of a "you go gang!" support than a pull the trigger, type of support.

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Ohh okay, that clears that up then and makes a lot more sense. Yes you would definitely need government related variables for that.

And yes, its more of a "you go gang!" support than a pull the trigger, type of support.


I just hate when people post polls like that to suggest that that # physically support ISIS, or that that # actually support governments being toppled to implant Sharia Law. Its silly but people make those leaps all the time, and i usually presume many of the studies were created in he first place counting on that confusion for nefarious purposes.
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Quote (Mangix @ 24 Mar 2016 14:36)
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what do the polls on which the graphs given in #99 are based really measure?
what is a percentage of overall population and what is just from the muslim population within the country
and is there a link to the original research (aka questions asked, number of people polled, confidence factor, etc) ?

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Quote (brmv @ Mar 24 2016 10:00am)
what do the polls on which the graphs given in #99 are based really measure?
what is a percentage of overall population and what is just from the muslim population within the country
and is there a link to the original research (aka questions asked, number of people polled, confidence factor, etc) ?


if you tried clicking the link in the damn post you're referencing...

http://www.icmunlimited.com/data/media/pdf/New-EU-Comb.pdf

Right at the top of the page.
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Quote (card_sultan @ Mar 24 2016 01:41pm)
you forgot the most important chart

http://i66.tinypic.com/rvlt1c.jpg


if nothing else, atleast you're an easy ego boost for everyone else that comes to PaRD
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Quote (Mangix @ Mar 24 2016 02:11pm)
if nothing else, atleast you're an easy ego boost for everyone else that comes to PaRD


Sounds like you lack self awareness, according to the internet.
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Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 24 2016 03:23am)
...it's not fear son , it's awareness .

Your assertion that Europe doesn't have open borders with the Middle East is irrelevant since ISIS possesses state of the art passport making equipment and have openly admitted they are using the refugee crisis to infiltrate Europe . Then there are those returning from the ISIS battlefields with long established roots in Europe and their new military skills and experience .

To think they are not trying to enter America is nothing more than closing your eyes to ward off the darkness .


Well in regards to refugees, Europe is dealing with the issue of people arriving and then applying for refugee status(and many aren't even seeking refugee status) where as in the US people are not brought here until after being granted refugee status . Thus far over 75% of the people who have been granted refugee status by the UN are women and children, on top of that the US prioritizes taking those who are considered more vulnerable, such as children and the elderly. So far more than half of the refugees brought to the US have been children, and another 20% have been the elderly. Only 2% have been single military aged males

In regards to terrorism in Europe, most terrorist attacks are the result of homegrown nationalist organizations, there have been no such examples of there being an attack as the result of taking in refugees, in the case of the Paris attack and the Belgium attack, all the culprits were born in Belgium.

In the US there have been 190,000 homicides since the war on terror began, and only 37 have been related to Islamic terrorism, 0 of which have been the result of taking in refugees

Rationalize it however you want, your "awareness" is a fear of Islamic terrorism

Fear

NOUN

1. An unpleasant emotion caused by the belief that someone or something is dangerous, likely to cause pain, or a threat:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/fear


If it were merely awareness then your concerns would not exceed the actual level of danger that Islamic terrorism presents... "Awareness" is the knowledge or perception of a situation or fact.. your perception of Islamic terrorism exceeds the actual level of danger that exists to an irrational level. It even seems to go so far beyond the actual level of dangers into being fearful of Muslim people as a whole

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Well in regards to refugees, Europe is dealing with the issue of people arriving and then applying for refugee status(and many aren't even seeking refugee status) where as in the US people are not brought here until after being granted refugee status . Thus far over 75% of the people who have been granted refugee status by the UN are women and children, on top of that the US prioritizes taking those who are considered more vulnerable, such as children and the elderly. So far more than half of the refugees brought to the US have been children, and another 20% have been the elderly. Only 2% have been single military aged males

In regards to terrorism in Europe, most terrorist attacks are the result of homegrown nationalist organizations, there have been no such examples of there being an attack as the result of taking in refugees, in the case of the Paris attack and the Belgium attack, all the culprits were born in Belgium.

In the US there have been 190,000 homicides since the war on terror began, and only 37 have been related to Islamic terrorism, 0 of which have been the result of taking in refugees

Rationalize it however you want, your "awareness" is a fear of Islamic terrorism

Fear

NOUN

1. An unpleasant emotion caused by the belief that someone or something is dangerous, likely to cause pain, or a threat:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/fear


If it were merely awareness then your concerns would not exceed the actual level of danger that Islamic terrorism presents... "Awareness" is the knowledge or perception of a situation or fact.. your perception of Islamic terrorism exceeds the actual level of danger that exists to an irrational level. It even seems to go so far beyond the actual level of dangers into being fearful of Muslim people as a whole


...thanks for proving my previous point...and in spades no less...if we disagree it has to be fear or hate .


Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 24 2016 07:20am)


I don't know if it's a reflection on modern schooling or something else that seems to limit so many peoples vocabulary but it's all but impossible to post opinions these days without being labelled as fearful or hateful .



This post was edited by WidowMaKer_MK on Mar 24 2016 07:26pm
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