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Jun 29 2014 05:38am
Quote (wofire @ 29 Jun 2014 01:40)
El Shadday...I am sorry but in no religion can you take 2 verses and ignore the rest. although the 2 verses you have chosen are both very good, without context and without the cross, no good wishing will make things better. Trying to tell people they are going to make it to heaven because they are great at loving others is like putting 1cm bandaid on a decapitated arm and expecting for it to be ok.


God is absolute love!
this is the true meaning of Christianity and all religions. :hug:
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Jun 29 2014 04:46pm
Quote (El Shadday @ Jun 29 2014 06:38am)
God is absolute love!
this is the true meaning of Christianity and all religions. :hug:



God is absolute love! But God is absolutely Just and absolutely Holy. In fact the only quality that is donated by the Hebrew 3 rule in the Bible is God's Holiness. In Hebrew if you repeat a word once it means very and if you say it a 3rd time it deams it as a superlative. God is the most Holy, set apart above all others by his holiness. The rest of the Bible speaks of that holiness. The true meaning of Christianity is God grace by sending his Son Jesus. His Son was our sacrifice because God must be absolutely just, but since he did that we could share in God's absolute holiness. He did this because of his absolute love.
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Jun 29 2014 04:53pm
Quote (wofire @ Jun 29 2014 06:46pm)
God is absolute love! But God is absolutely Just and absolutely Holy. In fact the only quality that is donated by the Hebrew 3 rule in the Bible is God's Holiness. In Hebrew if you repeat a word once it means very and if you say it a 3rd time it deams it as a superlative. God is the most Holy, set apart above all others by his holiness. The rest of the Bible speaks of that holiness. The true meaning of Christianity is God grace by sending his Son Jesus. His Son was our sacrifice because God must be absolutely just, but since he did that we could share in God's absolute holiness. He did this because of his absolute love.


so my up to date question for you would be if you agree on this definition of christianity:

Christianity (from the Ancient Greek word Χριστός, Christos, a translation of the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ, Māšîăḥ, meaning "the anointed one",[1] together with the Latin suffixes -ian and -itas) is a monotheistic[2] religion based on the life and oral teachings of Jesus as presented in the New Testament.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity





This post was edited by 2sexy4u on Jun 29 2014 04:53pm
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Jun 29 2014 04:58pm
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so my up to date question for you would be if you agree on this definition of christianity:

Christianity (from the Ancient Greek word Χριστός, Christos, a translation of the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ, Māšîăḥ, meaning "the anointed one",[1] together with the Latin suffixes -ian and -itas) is a monotheistic[2] religion based on the life and oral teachings of Jesus as presented in the New Testament.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity



Sure I guess... So should we follow the rest of the New Testament as well? What about the prophets and the old Jewish Traditions? I think we accept the teachings of the apostles because they provide primary accounts with their walk with God. Also we use the prophets of the Old testament because Jesus did and they pointed to the coming of Jesus.
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Jun 29 2014 05:09pm
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Sure I guess... So should we follow the rest of the New Testament as well? What about the prophets and the old Jewish Traditions? I think we accept the teachings of the apostles because they provide primary accounts with their walk with God. Also we use the prophets of the Old testament because Jesus did and they pointed to the coming of Jesus.


the definition doesn't look like contradicting old testament to me

i was asking because i think i just understood why i connect well with some christians and not with others, seems like there is a clear cut difference between who is following Jesus teaching and who is rejecting and talking more about the "grace from crucification"

... well i have to investigate lot more about this :)

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Jun 29 2014 05:35pm
Quote (2sexy4u @ Jun 29 2014 06:09pm)
the definition doesn't look like contradicting old testament to me

i was asking because i think i just understood why i connect well with some christians and not with others, seems like there is a clear cut difference between who is following Jesus teaching and who is rejecting and talking more about the "grace from crucification"

... well i have to investigate lot more about this :)


Romans 6:1 ..."Should we keep sinning so grace will abound?" Ofcoarse not. If a Christian's mindset is to sin because know they can fall back on grace then they are in the wrong mindset. We should follow Jesus' example but we can't ignore some things and accept others. If there is no grace through the cross, then Rom 3:23 "We all have sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God" And romans 6:23 "the wages of sin is death..." Without that grace we are screwed.
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Jun 29 2014 07:35pm
Quote (wofire @ 29 Jun 2014 19:46)
God is absolute love! But God is absolutely Just and absolutely Holy. In fact the only quality that is donated by the Hebrew 3 rule in the Bible is God's Holiness. In Hebrew if you repeat a word once it means very and if you say it a 3rd time it deams it as a superlative. God is the most Holy, set apart above all others by his holiness. The rest of the Bible speaks of that holiness. The true meaning of Christianity is God grace by sending his Son Jesus. His Son was our sacrifice because God must be absolutely just, but since he did that we could share in God's absolute holiness. He did this because of his absolute love.


perfectly
His justice is perfect and absolute.
so that no one shall be condemned to eternal suffering for committing faults.
everyone will have numerous opportunities for the remission of failures.
This is benevolence this is justice.
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Jun 29 2014 09:40pm
Quote (El Shadday @ Jun 29 2014 08:35pm)
perfectly
His justice is perfect and absolute.
so that no one shall be condemned to eternal suffering for committing faults.
everyone will have numerous opportunities for the remission of failures.
This is benevolence this is justice.


I Disagree. It is biblical that many will be condemned for committing faults.

Galations 2: 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in[a] Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

Matthew 18:8 If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire.

Matthew 25
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Matthew 13
36 Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.”37 He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom. The weeds are the people of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.

I am not trying to condemn anyone, but it is clear in the epistles and by Jesus's own words that there is a hell. There will be people going there.
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Jun 29 2014 10:30pm
Why does it take God 7 days in Genesis 1 but only 1 day in Genesis 2?

And why does Genesis 2 say that no plant had yet grown on the earth when God created Adam, but in Genesis 1 God creates Adam after He creates the plants?
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Jun 29 2014 11:03pm
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Why does it take God 7 days in Genesis 1 but only 1 day in Genesis 2?

And why does Genesis 2 say that no plant had yet grown on the earth when God created Adam, but in Genesis 1 God creates Adam after He creates the plants?


great question...Gen 1 is a zoomed out version, gen 2 is zoomed in

comereason.org/bibl_cntr/con005.asp
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