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May 25 2013 08:39am
Quote (Neptunus @ May 25 2013 08:32am)
the next alternative medicine fad, carbon dioxide therapy!

experience miraculous detoxification by sitting in a gas chamber, $50 for an hour!


Because the carbon didn't fill the air in previous ages on earth. :/

"Various proxy measurements have been used to attempt to determine atmospheric carbon dioxide levels millions of years in the past. These include boron and carbon isotope ratios in certain types of marine sediments, and the number of stomata observed on fossil plant leaves. While these measurements give much less precise estimates of carbon dioxide concentration than ice cores, there is evidence for very high CO2 volume concentrations between 200 and 150 Ma of over 3,000 ppm and between 600 and 400 Ma of over 6,000 ppm."

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May 25 2013 08:40am
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you mean like sea creatures who use carbon based shells to survive?
or do you mean humans and earth's many other creatures who survive off of eating food made from plants?....


A lovely Glen Beck level argument.
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May 25 2013 08:41am
Quote (shay11 @ May 25 2013 02:40pm)
A lovely Glen Beck level argument.


A lovely Wake level retort.
You can do better Shay.

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May 25 2013 08:52am
Quote (guywhosebrother @ May 25 2013 04:39pm)
you mean like sea creatures who use carbon based shells to survive?
or do you mean humans and earth's many other creatures who survive off of eating food made from plants?....


i'm not talking about carbon itself. I'm talking about atmospheric carbon dioxide affecting aerobic organisms. The extra carbon (from CO2) will remain in the fast cycle if it is released from the slow cycle, so an increase in plant biomass results in an increase in primary consumer biomass, which will release carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide is also responsible for the acidification of oceans. It just isn't good to have too much of something we actively remove from our bodies.

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Because the carbon didn't fill the air in previous ages on earth. :/

"Various proxy measurements have been used to attempt to determine atmospheric carbon dioxide levels millions of years in the past. These include boron and carbon isotope ratios in certain types of marine sediments, and the number of stomata observed on fossil plant leaves. While these measurements give much less precise estimates of carbon dioxide concentration than ice cores, there is evidence for very high CO2 volume concentrations between 200 and 150 Ma of over 3,000 ppm and between 600 and 400 Ma of over 6,000 ppm."


that was the era of anaerobic photosynthetic organisms, which were releasing oxygen that no organism at the time needed. Eventually carbon dioxide levels dropped and oxygen accumulated.
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May 25 2013 08:56am
Quote (Neptunus @ May 25 2013 02:52pm)
i'm not talking about carbon itself. I'm talking about atmospheric carbon dioxide affecting aerobic organisms. The extra carbon (from CO2) will remain in the fast cycle if it is released from the slow cycle, so an increase in plant biomass results in an increase in primary consumer biomass, which will release carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide is also responsible for the acidification of oceans. It just isn't good to have too much of something we actively remove from our bodies.



that was the era of anaerobic photosynthetic organisms, which were releasing oxygen that no organism at the time needed. Eventually carbon dioxide levels dropped and oxygen accumulated.


we don't actually have acidification of oceans, that is just a phrase meant to scare people. Were heading towards neutral. So neutralization would be the correct term. Anything past that would then be acidification.
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May 25 2013 09:03am
Quote (guywhosebrother @ May 25 2013 04:56pm)
we don't actually have acidification of oceans, that is just a phrase meant to scare people. Were heading towards neutral. So neutralization would be the correct term. Anything past that would then be acidification.


yay, semantics. For all practical purposes, increasing H+ concentration counts as acidification.
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May 25 2013 09:05am
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A lovely Wake level retort.
You can do better Shay.


You argued that if something is safe in one quantity it must be safe in all quantities. Come on.
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May 25 2013 09:11am
Quote (Neptunus @ May 25 2013 09:03am)
yay, semantics. For all practical purposes, increasing H+ concentration counts as acidification.


Increasing Humanity Plus Transhumanism counts as acidification! XD
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May 25 2013 09:52am
Quote (guywhosebrother @ May 25 2013 05:30pm)
the rise in CO2 took place long before the rise in temperature, they aren't synced up in the least bit.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-temperature-correlation.htm

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Carbon is also a key ingredient to life so... life = bad? Welcome to the Green Movement.

and because botulinum toxin has carbon it must have a positive effect on everything that's alive
Quote (guywhosebrother @ May 25 2013 05:39pm)
you mean like sea creatures who use carbon based shells to survive?
or do you mean humans and earth's many other creatures who survive off of eating food made from plants?....

that was just painful to read
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Quote (shay11 @ May 25 2013 03:05pm)
You argued that if something is safe in one quantity it must be safe in all quantities. Come on.


maybe if it was in a dangerous status you might have something here...

Quote (Neptunus @ May 25 2013 03:03pm)
yay, semantics. For all practical purposes, increasing H+ concentration counts as acidification.


No. You do not "acidify" by neutralizing. I am sorry.
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