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Mar 21 2025 01:12pm
My boss is incredibly anti-Elon and while I don't like Elon, I have to remind him that Elon has done more bringing Northern Canada, particularly, Nunavut into the modern day than either the Provincial or Federal Gov't has in the past 20 years. Northwestel the only other provider here has Starlink mounted to their own buildings.

I do hope the man stops talking, if DOGE is his focus, gets that to a point where someone else can oversee it and Elon goes back to tech innovation.

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Mar 21 2025 01:21pm
Once Elon can sustain billionaires in space or Mars perpetually, then we are done for, nukes will fly.


Just came here to say.. that is an interesting idea. I doubt it will happen for a few lifetimes, but once humanity leaves earth, I could see this playing out. They won’t care about consequences.
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Just came here to say.. that is an interesting idea. I doubt it will happen for a few lifetimes, but once humanity leaves earth, I could see this playing out. They won’t care about consequences.


As someone that grew up on star wars, star trek and all these other space exploration fantasies, i would love for us to be able to accomplish that some day. In reality, the realist in me tells me it's highly unlikely to happen for a really long time.

Even going go Mars... like why? It has no atmosphere, is has no natural resources? It's not as if our planet is going to get struck by an asteroid in the next 30 years. (fingers crossed). Other habitable moons and earth-like planets are so far away that technologically i don't think we're decades but centuries away from any real chance. He's a dreamer and it's good to have dreamers and i'm happy he's dumping his wealth into this but we're far from it.

Even if something happens to our planet, disease, nuclear war, global warming, it still probably remains more hospitable vs a Mars.

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i knew that before this conversation, but after im left with the knowledge you run from hard questions to easy answers.


If you knew that I assume you are just dishonest since this is one of the two examples you gave for great DOGE savings
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As someone that grew up on star wars, star trek and all these other space exploration fantasies, i would love for us to be able to accomplish that some day. In reality, the realist in me tells me it's highly unlikely to happen for a really long time.

Even going go Mars... like why? It has no atmosphere, is has no natural resources? It's not as if our planet is going to get struck by an asteroid in the next 30 years. (fingers crossed). Other habitable moons and earth-like planets are so far away that technologically i don't think we're decades but centuries away from any real chance. He's a dreamer and it's good to have dreamers and i'm happy he's dumping his wealth into this but we're far from it.

Even if something happens to our planet, disease, nuclear war, global warming, it still probably remains more hospitable vs a Mars.


It's really not plausible at all. Even if the technology got there, the cost of maintaining any kind of settlement would be absolutely astronomical and thus entirely irrational as those costs could instead be invested on Earth to create orders of magnitude more settlements

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It's really not plausible at all. Even if the technology got there, the cost of maintaining any kind of settlement would be absolutely astronomical and thus entirely irrational as those costs could instead be invested on Earth to create orders of magnitude more settlements


Long term, 300, 500 years from now, who knows, but i largely agree.

To me pushing for it only really makes sense if our planet was truly facing some acute extinction event i.e. that will wipe out all life or whatever, until then it's a cute thing to dream about. Maybe some level of space mining/resource extraction would be cool down the line but again energy to do it would be astronomical.

Shit if we're going to build anything off world, better off starting with the moon which would be way more realistic.
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Long term, 300, 500 years from now, who knows, but i largely agree.

To me pushing for it only really makes sense if our planet was truly facing some acute extinction event i.e. that will wipe out all life or whatever, until then it's a cute thing to dream about. Maybe some level of space mining/resource extraction would be cool down the line but again energy to do it would be astronomical.

Shit if we're going to build anything off world, better off starting with the moon which would be way more realistic.


Yeah, I mean the first application to go for should definitely be profitable resource harvesting

Though I do generally support blue sky research

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Mar 23 2025 12:38pm
No, that's just a theoretical understanding. In practice corporations buy back their shares with the money that could've been spent on dividends (which would be taxed). So it's just a tax-avoidance game.


You don't know what's their real base for taxation, so you don't know how much % they really pay.

Here, straight from the horse's mouth :) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RAu2MvLbDk


And when the shares are sold, it's taxed as capital gains. You can't eat share price appreciation.

On a non-taxation note, buybacks have increasingly become a tool to artificially drive stock price in recent years. Its actually been pretty negative.

Debt levels in corps are increasingly higher, using leverage to buy back stock, then you have those same companies sucking on the corporate welfare stream from the fed. Its referred too as a financial engineering tool at this point by the c-suite. The time you are referring to where it was more positive than just a tool to drive price artificially higher is prior to the SEC changing the rules in 1982. Artificially pumping the share price when the company isn't actually doing any better, and now were at what, a PE Ratio of >35 and since that rule change in 1982 prices per share is 6x for the same profits back then.

Then you have companies spending more on buybacks rather than R&D or actual dividends because it pumps stock prices and with the huge increase to C-Suite compensation tied to stock price its incentivised and its not sustainable, enter corporate welfare.

Stock buybacks need to get regulated again by the SEC like they were prior to 1982, were not seeing healthy, sustainable buybacks.


"Income is still being taxed twice, once at the corporate level and once at the point of distribution or sale."

I am sure the states are similar as Canada, you make it sound as if its taxed at more because it gets taxed twice, but that's not true, at-least not in Canada. The tax concept integration works, for the most part The idea being that there should be little to no difference in overall income tax paid, personal + corporate compared to just earning it personally. I won't go through all the tax rates, federal abatements, provincial abatements, dividend tax credits, etc. but you get the point. Its taxed twice, yes but the net is the same and usually lower than if you just paid it personally since the huge benefit is obviously tax deferral.


It depends on the company. If you take a dividend payer like MO, they pay a higher yield in dividends than they pay on debt. It would be fiscally irresponsible to retire debt in lieu of buying back shares. The big tech stocks buy back shares in part to prevent share dilution as a result of stock based compensation. There's also irresponsible buybacks, and there's irresponsible dividend payers (see Bell on the TSX), but the market will punish them over the long haul, there's no need to regulate away their decision making.
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Long term, 300, 500 years from now, who knows, but i largely agree.

To me pushing for it only really makes sense if our planet was truly facing some acute extinction event i.e. that will wipe out all life or whatever, until then it's a cute thing to dream about. Maybe some level of space mining/resource extraction would be cool down the line but again energy to do it would be astronomical.

Shit if we're going to build anything off world, better off starting with the moon which would be way more realistic.


I mean, you have to start sometime, right? If humans throughout history had this mindset, we would still be rustling around the forests building fires and huts
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Mar 23 2025 12:59pm
And when the shares are sold, it's taxed as capital gains. You can't eat share price appreciation.


You can if you don't sell but take a low rate loan on your stocks. I've told you already. And you can hedge with options instead of selling. And I am sure there are tons more ways.

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