Quote (Djunior @ Dec 3 2024 09:25pm)

LOL 4 years of lawsuits and it all failed because there wasn't anything substantial there. No one cares about this "convicted felon" label unless you're part of the hardcore TDS crowd.

And here you are defending another Hunter Biden topic because the big guy just pardoned his crooked son, can't make this shit up lmao :rofl:

Quote (gnarjay @ Dec 4 2024 01:21pm)

i didnt defend anything in this thread

the only people that refuse to admit trump is a criminal crony weirdo are MAGA cult members, you project that onto other people because your brain cant handle the disconnect.

even more sad is the fact that youre still licking his boots all the way from fucking Germany. whos really in the cult??? get a grip

Quote (Djunior @ Dec 3 2024 11:17pm)

Please continue to call Trump voters cultists or fascist so all those voters get so fed up with you that they never consider to vote for your side again.

Talking about getting a grip

Quote (gnarjay @ Dec 4 2024 02:30pm)

those people can keep voting against their own self interest, i honestly dont give a fuck. stupid people are going to do stupid things and its not my job to educate them

Quote (Djunior @ Dec 3 2024 11:37pm)

I thought you'd be smarter than that since you've just been sidelined for 4 years by those voters.

Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 3 2024 11:59pm)

If its helpful, I think he's talking about how Ukraine was a relatively stable, peaceful and functional democracy prior to 2014 and even after the Maidan western Ukraine aligned with the US/EU was capable of becoming an insular but functional democracy, like so many post schism countries have achieved. The only holdup to a peaceful resolution to the slow burning civil war was the American-backed proxy war premised on western Ukraine's claim to the east. One not backed up by international law (as a coup d'etat) nor any moral high ground (after massacres and years of siege) nor by force of arms (territory never held for a day)

Ukraine could have diplomatically resolved this war before it even began in earnest. There is every reason to think Putin would have negotiated in good faith for the separatist regions being given autonomy, when his bargaining position was asking so much less than we've ceded to him on the battlefield. We have the transcripts and tapes, Putin asked for mere recognition and deconfliction. Macron was hostile and dismissive and refused to acknowledge the separatists at all, not giving them any recognition for even the start of bargaining. That only Kyiv was legitimate and separatists are all terrorists. Even though only the DPR/LPR/Crimea now followed the last lawfully elected government regime and Kyiv was ruled by a revolutionary junta.

We could make all the moralizing lectures we wanted. And our hypocrisy was not backed up by the necessary force of arms to take the lands we claimed. Ukraine even post Maidan had every opportunity to achieve a peaceful long term solution as a smaller country that didn't lay full jurisdiction over the people they had disenfranchised. It was NATO powers that forced a conflict.

Whats the counterargument? Putin was lying? What did he have to gain? Trust people when they're asking for something to their own benefit. Russia would much rather control a sphere of influence that cost them no blood or treasure than fight a years long war. Thats what you realize when you analyze geopolitics from the standpoint of (mostly) rational actors, rather than our brave shining knights against their thuggish ogres

Quote (gnarjay @ Dec 4 2024 01:30am)

those people can keep voting against their own self interest, i honestly dont give a fuck. stupid people are going to do stupid things and its not my job to educate them

Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 4 2024 07:08am)

you're gonna be here for 4 years or more complaining literally every single day. you can pretend you're just a humorous observationist, but we read your posts and its clear you're bothered.

Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 4 2024 08:08am)

you're gonna be here for 4 years or more complaining literally every single day. you can pretend you're just a humorous observationist, but we read your posts and its clear you're bothered.