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Sep 20 2024 08:02am
Quote (Modulok2405 @ Sep 20 2024 02:09am)
There is no "the defintion", dude. Agnostic Atheists are a thing wether you like or not. That is also WELL ESTABLISHED.


Only the people, like you, who change definitions to suit their needs whenever the real definitions are inconvenient for them believe that.

Like I said, this is a brand new attempt to muddy waters that were clear before you guys started fucking around.

Lots of untrue things are “well-established” in our time(and every other time in history). Unfortunately we currently have a society pushing drivel like rousseau and bentham on all of the young pseudo-intellectuals, and that trickles down, so we end up with these inane “Nothing means anything maaaaan” arguments. That’s you.
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Quote (Modulok2405 @ Sep 20 2024 05:10am)
You understand that Aristotle is not really a friend of religious people in what he says, right? You wanna bring him up to support what group of people?

I mean, its true to say that he cannot be disproven, but thats because what he says is totally abstract and not provable or disprovable.


Do you think Aristotle is instead “a friend” to atheists? He believed in a god…

Again, you seem willing to make up things whenever the truth doesn’t jibe with your bias. It’s a shame.

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so you heard this from dawkins or ricky gervais i cant remember which one

but you totally butchered it
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Quote (Modulok2405 @ Sep 20 2024 03:10am)
You understand that Aristotle is not really a friend of religious people in what he says, right? You wanna bring him up to support what group of people?

I mean, its true to say that he cannot be disproven, but thats because what he says is totally abstract and not provable or disprovable.


I'd say he's a friend of free thinkers. Protestantism itself is a tradition in free thinking, in opposition to the rigid doctrine of the Catholic church (not that most of that doctrine isn't correct, I agree with the catholic position on many things). I think its a weird postmodern idea that religion and free thinking/science are opposed, they're not. The Enlightenment great scientists were all highly religious men but also free thinkers.

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Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 20 2024 06:59am)
special pleading


Idk what this means, but Aristotle wrote extensively about the unmoved or prime mover and proved it logically
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Only the people, like you, who change definitions to suit their needs whenever the real definitions are inconvenient for them believe that.

Like I said, this is a brand new attempt to muddy waters that were clear before you guys started fucking around.

Lots of untrue things are “well-established” in our time(and every other time in history). Unfortunately we currently have a society pushing drivel like rousseau and bentham on all of the young pseudo-intellectuals, and that trickles down, so we end up with these inane “Nothing means anything maaaaan” arguments. That’s you.


This is not one of those untrue things you talk about tho. Funny how it triggers you when I describe myself as an agnostic atheist - and rightfully do so.
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Do you think Aristotle is instead “a friend” to atheists? He believed in a god…

Again, you seem willing to make up things whenever the truth doesn’t jibe with your bias. It’s a shame.


His view of what god is, is not closer to a religious god than it is to atheism.
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Idk what this means, but Aristotle wrote extensively about the unmoved or prime mover and proved it logically


He of course didnt prove it.
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This is not one of those untrue things you talk about tho. Funny how it triggers you when I describe myself as an agnostic atheist - and rightfully do so.


I gave you the long-time(hundreds of years) accepted definition of atheism, from a highly respected source. And the definition of agnosticism by the guy who coined the term, also highly respected. The only support for your argument you even mentioned is some internet dimestore philosopher... which makes sense, because that's the only type of person who holds the opinion you're advocating.

Describing yourself as "agnostic" at all is misleading at the very least, because it isn't a creed like atheism or Christianity. But if you are an atheist, you are not acting agnostically on the question of God. "Agnostic atheist" is literally an oxymoron.

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His view of what god is, is not closer to a religious god than it is to atheism.


Aristotle believed in a god--he was a theist, which means that his views could not be further from that of an atheist. You seem to think that atheism is the opposite of religion, and that's not the case. Atheism is the opposite of theism. There are atheist religions. Most sects of Buddhism are atheist, for example.
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Quote (Shadowoffury @ Sep 21 2024 08:06am)
I gave you the long-time(hundreds of years) accepted definition of atheism, from a highly respected source. And the definition of agnosticism by the guy who coined the term, also highly respected. The only support for your argument you even mentioned is some internet dimestore philosopher... which makes sense, because that's the only type of person who holds the opinion you're advocating.

Describing yourself as "agnostic" at all is misleading at the very least, because it isn't a creed like atheism or Christianity. But if you are an atheist, you are not acting agnostically on the question of God. "Agnostic atheist" is literally an oxymoron.



Aristotle believed in a god--he was a theist, which means that his views could not be further from that of an atheist. You seem to think that atheism is the opposite of religion, and that's not the case. Atheism is the opposite of theism. There are atheist religions. Most sects of Buddhism are atheist, for example.


Quote (El1te @ Sep 20 2024 09:27am)
Idk what this means, but Aristotle wrote extensively about the unmoved or prime mover and proved it logically



all philosphy is built upon a simple premise that the most moral and pleasurable thing is the ought be standard.
this is correct and can be used to test even the spirit of intent regarding scripture(s).
GL telling the pluto peoples on planet earth that they revolve around the sun.


the WEF classifies you as hackable animals, because you are if you live normally:
1:18:05(oxford scholar describes world as a literal cellphone zombie beast race):

https://rumble.com/v52t5su-dr.-david-hughes-global-technocracy-and-how-to-escape.html

The world is sprayed w/ chemtrail smart dust(nano iot) to microwave torture any1 who exposes, talks, or sees
what satan is doing on planet earth for the express purposes of his vampirism.

The mark of the beast looks like jets linked with satellites locking into your implantable mac addresses "in order"
to microwave torture your vagus nerve & for the express purposes of letting spirits into your aura or biofield.
Your apoc worship choice ^^


(oxford scholar says mass non compliance w/ cellphone smart devices mandatory)

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