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Sep 9 2024 08:12am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 9 2024 10:08am)
It's a problem for countries that refuse to truly enforce borders, not all rich countries. There's plenty of rich nations globally that have manageable levels of immigration, with what their populaces want. Norway, Switzerland, Japan, SK, many others.

It's a cop out for politicians and white dudes for Harris to be peddling 'well everyone is dealing with it'. Start holding those in power accountable instead of defending their inaction.









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Sep 9 2024 09:59am
No surprise Trump already crying that the debate is “rigged” only MAGA dolts would believe any of this by now. He’s quite the “alpha” literally cries about every obstacle. The perpetually slighted billionaire. What a joke.
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Quote (theCrossbones @ Sep 9 2024 10:59am)
No surprise Trump already crying that the debate is “rigged” only MAGA dolts would believe any of this by now. He’s quite the “alpha” literally cries about every obstacle. The perpetually slighted billionaire. What a joke.


Not true, just listen to his last rally where he's in the penalty box.

He's done more than any other president has ever done with anything ever.
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Quote (theCrossbones @ Sep 9 2024 11:59am)
No surprise Trump already crying that the debate is “rigged” only MAGA dolts would believe any of this by now. He’s quite the “alpha” literally cries about every obstacle. The perpetually slighted billionaire. What a joke.





Surprise, surprise... no link. LOL
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Sep 9 2024 10:36am
Quote (SkySwallower @ 9 Sep 2024 16:02)
As I said, you already have a point of view and use the data to support it, even though the data doesn't hold for that.

Immigration will continue to be a huge issue for all rich countries for the foreseeable future, so I think it is even more important to understand the problem and the possible solutions clearly instead of falling for populism as an easy answer for a highly complex problem.


It was much less of an issue under Trump than under Biden:


Good luck trying to spin or explain away these striking numbers, lol.
Long story short, it seems as if Trump, the oh-so-unqualified simpleton, had found an easy answer for this oh-so-complex and intractable problem. :rolleyes:

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 9 2024 10:37am
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Sep 9 2024 10:44am
The data you are showing is more people are apprehended, i.e. more people are not getting into the country because they are stopped at the border. It's the exact same data as before, you just do not understand it properly.
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Sep 9 2024 11:00am
Quote (SkySwallower @ Sep 9 2024 11:44am)
The data you are showing is more people are apprehended, i.e. more people are not getting into the country because they are stopped at the border. It's the exact same data as before, you just do not understand it properly.


not accurate, many people are apprehended, then taken to holding facilities, then given passage to whatever city they choose and scheduled a court date.

are you really suggesting people who are "apprehended" are then turned around and sent back into mexico?
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Sep 9 2024 11:06am
people talk about this topic in Pard all day long, for the last months..
You're not going to fool anyone here.
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Quote (Mondain @ Sep 9 2024 06:06pm)
^SkySwallower people talk about this topic in Pard all day long, for the last months..
You're not going to fool anyone here.


I am not trying to fool anybody. As a non american, I can assure you the rest of the western world is really hoping that you find some common sense and don't vote for trump again. We all can see that Putin will take Ukraine if you do and nobody here wants WW 3.

All I am trying to do is getting you to stop looking at data with an already established viewpoint. Objectively Biden did a lot of good for your country, while Donald delayed your Covid response and killed a lot of your citizens by it. After losing the election he decided to try a coup because he rightfully believes that the only thing between him and a jail cell is politics. That should have been enough to end all support but here we are, defending him because of immigration numbers you do not understand. For obvious reasons nobody brought any sources for "post birth abortions" either.

Trump is the most despicable politician for a long time, while also being incredibly stupid. I honestly can not fathom how you decide that this should be the person representing you.

I am not going to change your already made up mind, but history will judge you and it won't be kind.

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Sep 9 2024 11:59am
Quote (SkySwallower @ 9 Sep 2024 18:44)
The data you are showing is more people are apprehended, i.e. more people are not getting into the country because they are stopped at the border. It's the exact same data as before, you just do not understand it properly.


It's simply not true that the vast majority of illegal entrees encountered at the border are stopped. Here's what the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office has to say in a recent report published in Jan 2024:

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Congressional Budget Office revised its projection of net
immigration of people in the other-foreign-national category.
That category includes the following groups of people:

• Those who entered the United States illegally and
have not obtained a permanent legal status;
• Those who were permitted to enter the country lawfully
through the use of parole authority and who may be
awaiting proceedings in immigration court; and
• Those who previously resided in the United States
legally in a temporary status but who remained in the
country after that legal status expired

CBO estimates that net immigration in the other
foreign-national category was 2.4 million in 2023. By
comparison, that number was 600,000 in 2021 and
1.9 million in 2022, CBO estimates. In 2024, as in
2023, CBO projects that 2.4 million people, on net,
will immigrate in that category[...]


So the CBO estimates that 4.9m illegal immigrants have entered the US in 2021-23, and projects that a total of 7.3m will have arrived throughout the four Biden years (2021-24).

Source:
https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2024-01/59697-Demographic-Outlook.pdf

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 9 2024 12:04pm
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