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Feb 12 2024 10:18pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Feb 12 2024 11:14pm)
We don't let "most people" create diagnostic criteria or diagnose, and for good reason.


Isn't gender dysphoria officially a disorder?
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Feb 12 2024 10:19pm
Quote (ChocolateCoveredGummyBears @ Feb 12 2024 08:16pm)
it's hard to judge tbh. personally, i think these batshit insane parents should stop forcing their kids to play with barbie dolls and instead get them doing baal runs, we'd have less gender identity issues


I always preferred The Chaos Sanctuary, personally. Waiting between waves was the absolute worst.
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Isn't gender dysphoria officially a disorder?


Gender Dysphoria is a specific experience, and not synonymous with being transgender. The APA has already signaled that it is wanting to move Gender Dysphoria out of the DSM and into medical diagnostic manuals related to human development; however, that process is going to take time and the current inclusion affords the ability for gender affirming care to be covered by insurance (This is why they don't simply remove it now). Rather than Gender Dysphoria being viewed as a "mental illness", it is increasingly being viewed as a disorder of human development in which there's an incongruence between people's physical bodies, internal sense of self, and social identification. We aren't certain as to what contributes to the formation of this incongruence, but research has shown that viewing it as a mental illness is an antiquated understanding.

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Most people think of mental illnesses / disorders in a pretty straightforward way. Does it significantly impair your ability to live a functional life? Is it causing significant damage to your physical and mental health?


that's where the line is for me. for example in duff's video you got that dude who believes he's a dragon incarnate. but on the other side, there's transgenders who seem like they have real gender identity issues and take legitimate steps to try to improve their life. seems like two wildly different diagnoses (in my example)
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Feb 12 2024 10:28pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Feb 12 2024 08:06pm)
But that's the point: is it actually really just a small percentage of the transgender community that engages in outlandish or alarming behavior?


Yes. Are you suggesting otherwise?
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Feb 12 2024 10:31pm
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Isn't gender dysphoria officially a disorder?


Gender dysphoria: A concept designated in the DSM-5-TR as clinically significant distress or impairment related to gender incongruence, which may include desire to change primary and/or secondary sex characteristics.

Short answer: Yes it is

you lack the real world experience dealing with people with this disorder in a clinical setting....

It's actually really bad and you having a laze faire attitude about it won't help the underlying issue.

Transgender people attacking nurses/doctors/health care providers verbally/physically is more common then you think and I just gave you a real world example where my sister didn't press charges on a trans individual because she didn't want to ruin her/his life....

Do you think this uptick in "trans activism" is leading to MORE or LESS physical/verbal violence?

Where are your examples I gave mine.

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Gender Dysphoria is a specific experience, and not synonymous with being transgender. The APA has already signaled that it is wanting to move Gender Dysphoria out of the DSM and into medical diagnostic manuals related to human development; however, that process is going to take time and the current inclusion affords the ability for gender affirming care to be covered by insurance (This is why they don't simply remove it now). Rather than Gender Dysphoria being viewed as a "mental illness", it is increasingly being viewed as a disorder of human development in which there's an incongruence between people's physical bodies, internal sense of self, and social identification. We aren't certain as to what contributes to the formation of this incongruence, but research has shown that viewing it as a mental illness is an antiquated understanding.


Moving the goal posts, which is inherently driven by political activism. To Gooms point, that’s why there’s growing push back to what ‘experts’ have to say about things.
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I always preferred The Chaos Sanctuary, personally. Waiting between waves was the absolute worst.


yeah true. i do love exploding the waves with lightning fury though. i could do that all day :D

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Gender Dysphoria is a specific experience, and not synonymous with being transgender. The APA has already signaled that it is wanting to move Gender Dysphoria out of the DSM and into medical diagnostic manuals related to human development; however, that process is going to take time and the current inclusion affords the ability for gender affirming care to be covered by insurance (This is why they don't simply remove it now). Rather than Gender Dysphoria being viewed as a "mental illness", it is increasingly being viewed as a disorder of human development in which there's an incongruence between people's physical bodies, internal sense of self, and social identification. We aren't certain as to what contributes to the formation of this incongruence, but research has shown that viewing it as a mental illness is an antiquated understanding.


The politicization of science and policy has been one of the most unfortunate outcomes of the past twenty years. The ideological capture of whole institutions, whether it's Harvard excusing Jew blood libel or HR blocking the hire of adogmatic thinkers, has done serious harm to their credibility with the public. I think it's the reason the "March through the institutions" was such a mistake. You get what you want, but not what you expect.

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Moving the goal posts, which is inherently driven by political activism. To Gooms point, that’s why there’s growing push back to what ‘experts’ have to say about things.


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The politicization of science and policy has been one of the most unfortunate outcomes of the past twenty years. The ideological capture of whole organizations, whether it's Harvard excusing Jew blood libel or HR blocking the hire of a dogmatic thinkers, has done serious harm to their credibility with the public. I think it's the reason the "March through the institutions" was such a mistake. You get what you want, but not what you expect.


Your opinions on the political activism being the root of this change are centered in what, exactly?
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