Do you mean that attacks against state institutions (like the Portland courthouse) or local government (burning down a police station) are okay, but god forbid if anyone dares to desecrate the holy ground of Capitol Hill in Washington D.C.?



So violent protests and flagrant lawlessness are justified as long as they take place in the name of a "good cause"?

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Dec 20 2023 11:54am

You asked what the difference was and I answered

So if violence wasn't the intention, why wait HOURS to put a message out after the protest turned into a violent riot inside the capitol?

sometimes i think the left really just wants trump to win. re-running a Manchurian candidate against a person you try your damndest to gift a victim complex. its really odd. they're a fire dept driving fuel trucks.

At no point was the threat of an actual insurrection legitimate. Something has to be a credible threat with quantifiable proof for it rise to being believable. I made this point before, for an actual insurrection to be legitimate you would have a ton of other 'signals' showing it's real. Such as factions of politicians, military, etc, swayed to the insurrectionist side publicly calling military or cops to rise up. Were police, judges and other institutional power brokers swayed? If not how do you expect an unorganized, unarmed group of people, with no central guiding authority or organized leadership to implement the insurrectionist demands? Were there plans uncovered of what it would look like once the insurrection was complete? Any generals, police chiefs notes or plans?

Like you could look at coups and insurrections all across the globe and they follow a pretty similar modus operandi. There has to be at least some critical mass of power structure behind an insurrection/coup for it to be real. We saw that in Turkey not that long ago when literally military jets were scrambled, tanks and soldiers in the streets were having gun battles, high ranking politicians/generals were sacked. Another example is Prighozin-Russia debacle.

So desperate to wish things into existence. The people that think this was a legitimate insurrection are about as dumb as the people who entered the buildings on Jan 6th thinking that act is going to change anything. Both laughably dumb.

The way I see it, Trump was grasping at straws and playing with fire during that time period, wanted to apply pressure on the power brokers in Congress in the hopes that they might refuse to certify Biden's victory and thus create an opening for Trump to muddy the waters. On January 6, he lost control of his hardcore supporters. My guess is that he was overwhelmed by the events just like everybody else and didn't really know what to do. He and his advisors surely knew that him showing up at the Capitol would only make things worse, as would a wrongly worded tweet. Also note that the whole situation was chaotic and the exact extent of the violence going on at the Capitol wasn't immediately clear.


Again: Trump has incurred moral guilt for his behavior that day, but I don't think it rises to the very high standard necessary to find someone legally guilty of a crime as serious as insurrection.

Muddy the waters to what end?

so much hand-waving and so little substance. dozens of cops got the shit kicked out of them, some died, and millions of dollars in property damage was done.
you want to complain about democrats "burning cities down" and simultaneously downplay Jan 6 to old boomers taking selfies. you cant play it both ways

It’s the classic republican way my friend