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Sep 28 2023 05:19pm
Quote (Acuity @ Sep 28 2023 08:15pm)
Not really.

Just amazed how people treat their political party like a religion.

Nothing is fact, any evidence or fact being provided cannot be true.

Like talking to a 7 year old.

“Nuh uh my party isn’t bad look how bad that party is”.


Live and die by a colour.
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Sep 28 2023 05:21pm
Quote (Acuity @ Sep 28 2023 07:15pm)
Not really.

Just amazed how people treat their political party like a religion.

Nothing is fact, any evidence or fact being provided cannot be true.

Like talking to a 7 year old.

“Nuh uh my party isn’t bad look how bad that party is”.




Must be rough to see everything through a one dimensional slit. ^^
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Sep 28 2023 05:30pm
Quote (Ghot @ Sep 28 2023 01:57pm)
Bummer for you... no convictions. LOL

Just more witch hunt.


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Sep 28 2023 05:44pm
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Must be rough to see everything through a one dimensional slit. ^^


We were talking about Trump and instead of the continuity of conversation

You brought up Cocaine in Bidens office.


Which has literally zero to do with our conversation and the topic at hand.


It isn't me being one dimensional.

It's about you being an adult child.


Literally the point you were implying is that Trump isn't Bad because look what Biden does.

I've interacted with you a lot outside of politics you've never been like this.

You literally treat politics like a religion. You're a Trump Fanatic for one reason or another.


Obviously you can't argue religion with someone because its based off of a faith.

So I'm done trying to understand your point of view.

Hopefully your faith pulls you through.
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Sep 28 2023 07:57pm
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Hard to be "shredding the law" when the law is being followed to the letter and Trump is being given years at a time to make corrections before being charged.

If anything he has gotten insanely more leeway than anybody else in the same position.


When they went after him for Stormy Daniels, he followed the law, they changed the law in a way that would incriminate every politician in the state. The FEC requires him to pay personal expenses with personal funds and its a crime to pay them with campaign funds, so they flipped the definition in New York and made it so that if Trump paid with personal funds they'd call it a campaign expense, if he paid with campaign funds they'd call it a personal expense. Nevermind that Chuck Schumer buying a bagel with his own bucks is a crime under their new definition.

When they went after him for property values just this week, the judge found him liable for inflating assets without a trial, just because Florida has a law that caps property value assessments from raising each year which artificially keeps assessed values for old properties low (for lower taxes on geriatric retirees), and thus anyone who owns property in Florida is now magically liable for fraud in New York because any time they report their actual property values they are above the assessed values (or lie and report the value the judge wants, and you're committing fraud in florida)

At least with the dingbat e jean carroll charge they dropped the catch 22 nonsense and just went with "here's an accusation with zero evidence she's ever met the guy, and a totally incoherent and unbelievable story and can't even come up with a year it happened, so it can't be disproved"
What years of latitude does Trump get given to avoid liability? When you torture legal theory until it produces a catch 22 where all actions are illegal, or where liability can exist with zero evidence and non-refutable claims.
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Sep 28 2023 08:28pm
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When they went after him for Stormy Daniels, he followed the law, they changed the law in a way that would incriminate every politician in the state. The FEC requires him to pay personal expenses with personal funds and its a crime to pay them with campaign funds, so they flipped the definition in New York and made it so that if Trump paid with personal funds they'd call it a campaign expense, if he paid with campaign funds they'd call it a personal expense. Nevermind that Chuck Schumer buying a bagel with his own bucks is a crime under their new definition.

When they went after him for property values just this week, the judge found him liable for inflating assets without a trial, just because Florida has a law that caps property value assessments from raising each year which artificially keeps assessed values for old properties low (for lower taxes on geriatric retirees), and thus anyone who owns property in Florida is now magically liable for fraud in New York because any time they report their actual property values they are above the assessed values (or lie and report the value the judge wants, and you're committing fraud in florida)

At least with the dingbat e jean carroll charge they dropped the catch 22 nonsense and just went with "here's an accusation with zero evidence she's ever met the guy, and a totally incoherent and unbelievable story and can't even come up with a year it happened, so it can't be disproved"
What years of latitude does Trump get given to avoid liability? When you torture legal theory until it produces a catch 22 where all actions are illegal, or where liability can exist with zero evidence and non-refutable claims.


Don't know how it works in other states but I just bought a home and the assessed value of a home (for tax purposes) is a massively different number compared to the appraised or the actual market value of a home.

But this is just another episode of flinging shit at the wall and hoping it sticks. Trump has been marred in these since 2016. Guy could be guilty of a bunch of shit but the fact that they keep zealously trying to disqualify him as a political candidate is so fucking obvious. It lost it's sting. The Trump supporters don't care because every other month it's something new.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Sep 28 2023 08:29pm
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Sep 28 2023 08:39pm
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Don't know how it works in other states but I just bought a home and the assessed value of a home (for tax purposes) is a massively different number compared to the appraised or the actual market value of a home.

But this is just another episode of flinging shit at the wall and hoping it sticks. Trump has been marred in these since 2016. Guy could be guilty of a bunch of shit but the fact that they keep zealously trying to disqualify him as a political candidate is so fucking obvious. It lost it's sting. The Trump supporters don't care because every other month it's something new.


I'm no expert on NY and FL law but I get the impression its a difference in how they cap property values vs property taxes by law, both to the same effect through different methods. Contrast Minnesota where we have no such cap to either value or taxes and thus I've watched both skyrocket in the past few years, and our only recourse is petitioning local governments to lower their rates because they don't need so much damn money. I know its well known that Florida has absolutely massive disparities between assessed value and actual value, and the market cap law perfectly explains both how that happened and why (to grandfather in senior citizens living in their retirement with low tax rates, its florida)
Presumably, the property value assessor they brought in as an expert witness to explain this to the judge said precisely that, which was followed by the judge's paragraph dismissing all testimony from the expert witness
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Sep 28 2023 09:07pm
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When they went after him for property values just this week, the judge found him liable for inflating assets without a trial,


Yes, when there is no issue of fact you don't even have to have a trial a judge can make a summary judgement. This is how the law has always worked for civil cases.

Trump literally admitted to doing what he was accused of on the basis that "he could get anybody from Saudi Arabia to pay whatever he wanted for it". There is no point in having a trial when the guy puts on record that he did the exact thing he is accused of for a reason that is not justifiable under the law because it is impossible for a reasonable jury to ever find he isn't liable.

Your insane dishonesty is showing.

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Sep 28 2023 09:08pm
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Don't know how it works in other states but I just bought a home and the assessed value of a home (for tax purposes) is a massively different number compared to the appraised or the actual market value of a home.

But this is just another episode of flinging shit at the wall and hoping it sticks. Trump has been marred in these since 2016. Guy could be guilty of a bunch of shit but the fact that they keep zealously trying to disqualify him as a political candidate is so fucking obvious. It lost it's sting. The Trump supporters don't care because every other month it's something new.


Trump literally admitted to inflating the value based on nothing more than the thought he could get somebody to pay it and then relied on that valuation to gain access to credit.

You should actually look at the case because he was inflating values 10x what they would have been otherwise. Something tells me your house wasn't appraised at 10x the value of the taxed value.

The judge accknowledges in the ruling that some degree of judgement is necessary, and 10% or even 20% is expected. Not 200% or more.

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Sep 28 2023 09:17pm
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Trump literally admitted to inflating the value based on nothing more than the thought he could get somebody to pay it and then relied on that valuation to gain access to credit.

You should actually look at the case because he was inflating values 10x what they would have been otherwise. Something tells me your house wasn't appraised at 10x the value of the taxed value.

The judge accknowledges in the ruling that some degree of judgement is necessary, and 10% or even 20% is expected. Not 200% or more.


Actually that's some of the more typical numbers you'd see. Out of curiosity I looked at a home around where I live on redfin. Home is listed at 550k and it's assessed valued is 280k.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Sep 28 2023 09:17pm
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