Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 16 2023 02:24pm)
If he was charged with incitement to riot or terroristic threats than there would be a legal pretense, however false it would be, that his speech was a direct violent exhortation when divorced from its political content, the bar for such an exception to free speech. Instead he's being charged specifically because of the merit of his speech, its political content, which makes this far worse. What you're saying isn't some excuse for these charges to exist, its what makes them all the more egregious. They are arguing that he committed a crime by the very statements that the election results were illegitimate, that fraud occurred, that it was stolen from him, that the legal process should rule in his favor. The very fact that he petitioned the courts for redress of a grievance is charged against him as a crime.
I'm trying to wrap my head around how you don't see what a straight revocation of our basic civil liberties is presented by such an argument. There's nothing more fundamentally protected by our first amendment than political speech. What was Brandeis's quote? "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is shut the motherfucker up and throw his ass in prison"
well the part you got wrong is that he's being charged solely based on his speeches and his petition to the courts. that's false, as is evident from the charges themselves where actions (not words are listed).
Quote (ferdia @ Aug 16 2023 02:22pm)
Donald Trump is a Crook, a Criminal, a Liar, and he should be in Jail. But he did not try to overthrow the government. They are throwing the book at him in the hopes that something will stick (hint: something will stick). However, by this same point, Hillary Clinton also committed acts which, if they occured in any sane country, would have her locked up, noting she did try to pull several fast ones.
Ultimately there is a credible Risk to US Interests, both home and abroad, if Donald Trump were to be re-elected. He almost broke the pillars of democracy in the US. Therefore his political enemies will ensure that he can not run for president. He will be jailed by his political opponents, 100%. Joe Biden's son by all accounts should also be in jail and he is a liability to Joe Biden, who apparently ordered a terrorist attack on an allies infrastructure (Nord Stream 2).
All in all, the rest of the world would appreciate it if the US did not destroy itself and the rest of the world with it. Make Peace not War ok.
I cannot understand the rationale of US politics. In no other country that I can think of has half of the country been turned into the enemy and in no other country is bribery changed to "lobbying". It is literally broken. I mean, if 90% was at war with 10% (pakistan) fine, but 50% vs 50%, that is such a mess.
Culture Wars, contriving to destabilize the world, when there are real problems all around. Madness.
as someone who agrees HRC is a crook and hates the US 2 party system and lobbying, i dont disagree. but what crimes should HRC have been charged for that she wasnt?
Quote (El1te @ Aug 16 2023 03:34pm)
All the people going after Trump may find themselves in a forced labour camp pretty soon, and they'll deserve it. I'd be careful about posting stuff publicly online in favour of the persecution as well if you're an American - stuff on the internet is there forever.
Every single person, hate or like Trump, know that it's an unjust persecution/witch hunt. The Trump haters want him gone by any means necessary and will, in bad faith, lie and do willful mental gymnastics as an attempt to create a smokescreen of plausible deniability.
most sane trump supporter
This post was edited by thesnipa on Aug 17 2023 06:27am