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Apr 28 2023 10:30pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Apr 28 2023 11:28pm)
You can extend this logic to justify any restriction on speech. So what I would say is that we should exercise that power exceedingly sparingly, or end up with the sort of world that we deserve.


It's not a restriction of speech. They were free to say it, just like the institution is free to not tolerate hate speech. You're just not wanting to live with the consequences of being very publicly viewed as a small minded idiot.
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Apr 28 2023 10:39pm
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It's not a restriction of speech. They were free to say it, just like the institution is free to not tolerate hate speech. You're just not wanting to live with the consequences of being very publicly viewed as a small minded idiot.


Of course its a restriction on speech. Whether or not its officially a government restriction on speech is another matter. If I enter a room with you and Sioux, and can't speak my mind, we're collectively restricting speech. My position is that that sort of authority needs to be exercised with the utmost discretion. How to treat gender dysmorphia is very controversial, and many very progressive European nations disagree adamantly with what the United States is doing. This is exactly the sort of the situation where we should allow discretion to take hold and let a genuine conversation play out.
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Apr 28 2023 10:41pm
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Noted socialist and universally (conservatively) hated J.K. Rowling is now a fascist-adjacent agent. This is the woman who maintains that Hermione is black and Dumbledore is gay. What Harry was doing with Dumbledore so late in his office is a discussion for another time. It's very fair to say that the American left has lost its mind.


What a desperate attempt at dodging.
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Apr 28 2023 10:42pm
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Of course its a restriction on speech. Whether or not its officially a government restriction on speech is another matter. If I enter a room with you and Sioux, and can't speak my mind, we're collectively restricting speech. My position is that that sort of authority needs to be exercised with the utmost discretion. How to treat gender dysmorphia is very controversial, and many very progressive European nations disagree adamantly with what the United States is doing. This is exactly the sort of the situation where we should allow discretion to take hold and let a genuine conversation play out.


Oh yeah I forgot in your scenario Sioux and I are physically holding you down and duct taping your mouth.

He's correct in saying you have a persecution complex.
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Apr 28 2023 10:45pm
I don't know too much about crowder other then his public change my mind public debates and seems to make leftoids rage. I am sure he makes good points and valid arguments but he did get owned by some college kid I can't remember what the talk was about and he was talking over him like a baby.

Just from watching this interaction I think this was easily avoided/resolved with some outside box thinking or maybe compromise. Essentially this was an argument about a car. The was super vague and giving excuses just moaning this and that. Just get the fucking uber or a taxi they drive you where ever the fuck why does she have to have Stevens car? Does the car belong to her or both of them? Because it seems like it's Stevens car. Can't stand broads like that extremely poor communication skills. Steven being a bit of a jerk though he could of handled that situation more tactfully.

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Of course its a restriction on speech. Whether or not its officially a government restriction on speech is another matter. If I enter a room with you and Sioux, and can't speak my mind, we're collectively restricting speech. My position is that that sort of authority needs to be exercised with the utmost discretion. How to treat gender dysmorphia is very controversial, and many very progressive European nations disagree adamantly with what the United States is doing. This is exactly the sort of the situation where we should allow discretion to take hold and let a genuine conversation play out.


If I come in your house and tell you you're a whiney bitch, are you restricting my first amendment rights if you ask me to leave? Have we started down the slippery slope? Or in this case is it calling a spade a spade?
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Apr 28 2023 10:48pm
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What a desperate attempt at dodging.


I'm not sure what this means.

The answer to your question is obvious, take a look at who controls the Federal government. It would be ridiculous to watch state politicians respond to a superior branch of government, and assume that its the state governments forcing the change.
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Apr 28 2023 10:50pm
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Of course its a restriction on speech. Whether or not its officially a government restriction on speech is another matter. If I enter a room with you and Sioux, and can't speak my mind, we're collectively restricting speech. My position is that that sort of authority needs to be exercised with the utmost discretion. How to treat gender dysmorphia is very controversial, and many very progressive European nations disagree adamantly with what the United States is doing. This is exactly the sort of the situation where we should allow discretion to take hold and let a genuine conversation play out.


There's actually not that much controversy in how we treat gender dysphoria from a medical and scientific standpoint. Those "very progressive European nations" aren't particularly progressive on the subject of queer and trans rights, and have a huge undercurrent of literal nazis influencing the politics.
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Apr 28 2023 10:51pm
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I'm not sure what this means.

The answer to your question is obvious, take a look at who controls the Federal government. It would be ridiculous to watch state politicians respond to a superior branch of government, and assume that its the state governments forcing the change.


Ok so what bills has the federal government passed restricting your right to be bigoted against trans people?

What bills have state governments passed restricting the rights of trans people.
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Apr 28 2023 10:52pm
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Ok so what bills has the federal government passed restricting your right to be bigoted against trans people?

What bills have state governments passed restricting the rights of trans people.


Inb4 "Repeal the Civil Rights Act!"
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