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Apr 18 2023 10:35pm
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You going to explain why should children be restricted through special laws around working and how they are required in today's society and the benefits they actually bring?

Or you just going to be an insufferable leftoid who hopes by screaming long and loud enough the problems will just fix themselves?


No need to explain it, anyone with a modicum of intelligence knows that these laws were written in blood and were passed with good reason, they were not something that always existed, there was a problem and it had to be fixed.
Now explain to me why you think making children slaves to their parents in 2023 is a good idea.

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You going to explain why should children be restricted through special laws around working and how they are required in today's society and the benefits they actually bring?

Or you just going to be an insufferable leftoid who hopes by screaming long and loud enough the problems will just fix themselves?


do you need someone to explain to you why rolling back labor protections for CHILDREN is a bad idea? do you need someone to tell you how its bad for children?
can you think of any instance where its okay for children to be working dangerous jobs while simultaneously being forced to accept sub-minimum wage compensation?
Im beginning to see that you just dont think at all. typical maga hog that doesnt give a fuck about kids but probably has a lot to say about abortion

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Apr 19 2023 02:07am
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Genuine question. Is there any age that you consider to be too young to start officially working, even with parental consent?


Nope. But depends on the work and supervision given
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Quote (Plaguefear @ Apr 19 2023 04:35pm)
No need to explain it, anyone with a modicum of intelligence knows that these laws were written in blood and were passed with good reason, they were not something that always existed, there was a problem and it had to be fixed.
Now explain to me why you think making children slaves to their parents in 2023 is a good idea.


Quote (gnarjay @ Apr 19 2023 05:50pm)
do you need someone to explain to you why rolling back labor protections for CHILDREN is a bad idea? do you need someone to tell you how its bad for children?
can you think of any instance where its okay for children to be working dangerous jobs while simultaneously being forced to accept sub-minimum wage compensation?
Im beginning to see that you just dont think at all. typical maga hog that doesnt give a fuck about kids but probably has a lot to say about abortion


All I hear from you two is child labour are bad because historically they were abused. It's over protective paranoia making you think that out there is some boogyman that could exploit your child in an unsafe and unfair manner.
If the parents want their child to get a summer job or do chores it is not unreasonable. Provided they are not missing out on school and not over worked more then 40 hrs. Just like adults who can't be forced to do jobs they deem unsafe or inappropriate.
Incidentally you don't consider the hurdles it creates for kids/teenagers who actually want to work. Shelter your children from work go ahead but don't stick your nose into other people's business
I don't see a crisis or any major need to have a national law made to combat a problem that doesn't exist outside of very few isolated cases.

I do however think child pay should be that of the an adult counter part or a minimum wage. Other then that stop creating more laws and rules and regulations all it does is creates more lawyers to push paper around and argue in court instead of actual jobs like building and engineering.

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Apr 19 2023 04:29am
This just in: California and Massachusetts, New York and Maryland all allow fourteen year olds to work.


This also just in, there is a federal law pertaining to what age you can work.


This also also just in. It is fourteen in basically every state.


This also also also just in. This topic is still fucking stupid.


:rofl:


Arkansas is sending children to the fucking mines :rofl:

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Apr 19 2023 05:38am
Oregon allows children as young as 9 to participate in agricultural labor.

New Hampshire provides 12 year olds with work permits.

Shall we break down every states’ labor laws and feign outrage?

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Oregon allows children as young as 9 to participate in agricultural labor.

New Hampshire provides 12 year olds with work permits.

Shall we break down every states’ labor laws and feign outrage?


bout time children start pulling their own weight
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All I hear from you two is child labour are bad because historically they were abused.


theyre still being abused....and guess what, child labor protection violations have been on the rise since 2015. its not a 'thing of the past'


Quote (addone @ Apr 19 2023 01:32am)
It's over protective paranoia making you think that out there is some boogyman that could exploit your child in an unsafe and unfair manner.


see above. nice straw man attempt

Quote (addone @ Apr 19 2023 01:32am)
If the parents want their child to get a summer job or do chores it is not unreasonable. Provided they are not missing out on school and not over worked more then 40 hrs. Just like adults who can't be forced to do jobs they deem unsafe or inappropriate.


there are clearly nuances to child labor protections that you just cant grasp with that hog brain of yours. these laws dont prevent children from working full-stop, they limit the aggregate hours, they limit the window of hours they're eligible to work (non-school hours), the types of jobs (physical, construction, etc) and myriad other protective measures like requiring a state permit. there is currently a push in several states to undercut these protections - specifically getting rid of the permit requirement. that is a fucking problem. some of these states actually want to allow MINORS to serve alcohol to adults. is that okay with you??

Quote (addone @ Apr 19 2023 01:32am)
Incidentally you don't consider the hurdles it creates for kids/teenagers who actually want to work. Shelter your children from work go ahead but don't stick your nose into other people's business
I don't see a crisis or any major need to have a national law made to combat a problem that doesn't exist outside of very few isolated cases.


??????????????? is getting a license before you drive a hurdle? is registering to vote a hurdle? are you seriously this dense?? jesus fucking christ man

Quote (addone @ Apr 19 2023 01:32am)
I do however think child pay should be that of the an adult counter part or a minimum wage. Other then that stop creating more laws and rules and regulations all it does is creates more lawyers to push paper around and argue in court instead of actual jobs like building and engineering.


lol gtfo with that boomer-ass take

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Apr 19 2023 11:40am
Do people really think that teenagers shouldn't work?

At my first real job many of my coworkers started working there when they were 12 and 13 (in BC Canada). It's normal and a responsible think to do to get your kids working early to build self confidence, work ethic, and teach them to spend their earnings responsibly.

For God's sake because of the degenerates who outright refuse to work they now have kids that look no older than 10 years old working at McDonalds here, which is probably too young.
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Nope. But depends on the work and supervision given


Quote (El1te @ Apr 19 2023 10:40am)
Do people really think that teenagers shouldn't work?

At my first real job many of my coworkers started working there when they were 12 and 13 (in BC Canada). It's normal and a responsible think to do to get your kids working early to build self confidence, work ethic, and teach them to spend their earnings responsibly.

For God's sake because of the degenerates who outright refuse to work they now have kids that look no older than 10 years old working at McDonalds here, which is probably too young.


I can't speak for others, but my guess (or projection) is that it comes down to two major considerations:

1. Whether society should be structured such that minors should have options to work, and if so, what protections and limitations (ie. age limits; types of work) should be in place. The larger social issue though is that not all childhoods and family resources are equal, so minors born into poor families will be disproportionately in situations in which they 'choose' to work out of necessity rather than something they freely elect into in the hopes that it would "build self confidence, work ethic, and teach them to spend their earnings responsibly".

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2. Child labor laws were reactive to a history of exploitation in which children were extremely vulnerable and were tasked with highly dangerous elements of the job, often with little resource--especially for migrant families of undocumented status and/or families without English proficiency. That history invokes strong caution in response to any efforts to roll back child labor laws.
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