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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ May 13 2024 02:54pm)
The surrounding Muslim world will not allow Hamas and Palestinians to seek refuge in their lands that is for sure and rightly so.
Hamas will want real democracy in those lands and topple or vote out the government in Egypt, bring down the current monarchies in the mid east and prepare for another major conflict to take back their lands.

The scary part is the common folks who shares religious kinship will / might support them.

If I am not wrong, part of the Arab Spring includes the Muslim Brotherhood which Hamas is one of their military arms, destabilized the region.
But correct me if I am wrong. At least that is what I think it is. I might be wrong.


Hamas derives it's power from the people. If the people are living well, working, getting richer, it would be difficult for Hamas to continue to get the recruits. Like I'm imagining a world in which the Palestinians in Gaza where spread all across Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and so on over the last 50 years. Put down roots, build businesses, build wealth. You think some extremists trying to talk a young person into going on suicidal Jihad would work? Idk, I'm skeptical of it, at least not on this same scale. It works in Gaza because it's an endless cycle of misery and it's easy to externalize the blame. I feel like it would be a much more difficult sale if they were spread out and living better.

I still don't get why it'd be that difficult. Even today, 2 million people spread over countries with a combined population of like 300+ is doable. I mean look at the amount of refugees/migrants EU took in from all cross ME, Africa, Ukraine, etc. Multiple millions in the last few years, it'd be cool if the Sunni neighbors could step up to the plate.
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Quote (thesnipa @ May 13 2024 02:14pm)
that war would end in the Kims firing more arms at Seoul than we could intercept, as well as likely shitty nukes.

if there were other likely outcomes we'd have invaded them decades ago.


The number they used to quote was "a million dead in 24 hours", but in a hypothetical world where Kim invades (he clearly won't), what else is South Korea supposed to do? Seoul would be flattened regardless.
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Hamas derives it's power from the people. If the people are living well, working, getting richer, it would be difficult for Hamas to continue to get the recruits. Like I'm imagining a world in which the Palestinians in Gaza where spread all across Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and so on over the last 50 years. Put down roots, build businesses, build wealth. You think some extremists trying to talk a young person into going on suicidal Jihad would work? Idk, I'm skeptical of it, at least not on this same scale. It works in Gaza because it's an endless cycle of misery and it's easy to externalize the blame. I feel like it would be a much more difficult sale if they were spread out and living better.

I still don't get why it'd be that difficult. Even today, 2 million people spread over countries with a combined population of like 300+ is doable. I mean look at the amount of refugees/migrants EU took in from all cross ME, Africa, Ukraine, etc. Multiple millions in the last few years, it'd be cool if the Sunni neighbors could step up to the plate.


That is the reason why Singapore did rather well in that sense. We make sure that the Singaporean Muslim's (Sunni) income is quadruple that of neighboring Muslim Countries.
They don't have that reason to create terrorist groups anymore to take back what was "supposedly" theirs.

They even think the neighboring muslim brothers are low level and slightly uncivilized ( not all ) but especially those fundamentalist ( Hamas like Muslims ) from North of Malaysia and Aceh region of Indonesia.
But then again it weird, the Muslims in South East Asia are slightly more mild in that sense as compared to the Middle East region. But they do share similar characteristic during riots.

You should have heard the stories in Indonesia during the 1997 Anti Indo-Chinese uprising in Indonesia. You get 50 to 100 crazy Fundamentalist Muslims going into a house in Indonesia and gang rape 5 to 8 year old Indo Chinese Ethnic girls. As in 50 to 1. I mean these IndoChin families have been there for 4 to 5 generations.
But they get ......... because of their skin color and Non Muslim status. The government tried to help but can't do anything.
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The number they used to quote was "a million dead in 24 hours", but in a hypothetical world where Kim invades (he clearly won't), what else is South Korea supposed to do? Seoul would be flattened regardless.


Rocket man doesn't need to invade , he just need to test a nuke in his Country near to the border of South Korea. Just look at the Korea Map. How far is Pyongyang from the DMZ and how far is Seoul from the DMZ.

Technically speaking Kim is not dropping a Nuke on South . He is just testing one in his country near the border.

That will send chill down the spines of everyone. Please note that NK is pretty much in a dilapidated state. The South has very beautiful infrastructure etc etc etc. NK is not going to lose anything if they have nothing to lose.

SK can't do crap unless they move their entire population further South to Busan.
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Quote (18nomaUSEast @ May 13 2024 05:57pm)
Why did hamas attack on Oct 7?

Think it has anything to do with israel controlled apartheid for decades ?


Sure. Does that make it justified? Or does that mean Israel has no right to protect itself?

Would you live with Hamas tunnels under your village? Serious question.

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Quote (bogie160 @ May 13 2024 01:31pm)
The number they used to quote was "a million dead in 24 hours", but in a hypothetical world where Kim invades (he clearly won't), what else is South Korea supposed to do? Seoul would be flattened regardless.


yeah if in some conflict with NK as the aggressor the south would quickly evacuate all population near the DMZ then just let the US level the north. people near the border is the only power Kim holds. but also why he'd never invade, NK is set up as a defensive force. they're the australia strategy in Risk irl.
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ May 13 2024 03:39pm)
That is the reason why Singapore did rather well in that sense. We make sure that the Singaporean Muslim's (Sunni) income is quadruple that of neighboring Muslim Countries.
They don't have that reason to create terrorist groups anymore to take back what was "supposedly" theirs.

They even think the neighboring muslim brothers are low level and slightly uncivilized ( not all ) but especially those fundamentalist ( Hamas like Muslims ) from North of Malaysia and Aceh region of Indonesia.
But then again it weird, the Muslims in South East Asia are slightly more mild in that sense as compared to the Middle East region. But they do share similar characteristic during riots.

You should have heard the stories in Indonesia during the 1997 Anti Indo-Chinese uprising in Indonesia. You get 50 to 100 crazy Fundamentalist Muslims going into a house in Indonesia and gang rape 5 to 8 year old Indo Chinese Ethnic girls. As in 50 to 1. I mean these IndoChin families have been there for 4 to 5 generations.
But they get ......... because of their skin color and Non Muslim status. The government tried to help but can't do anything.


Maybe I'm just projecting my values so I'm failing to see the zealotry, that maybe persists even if times are good.

>Habibi you want to go plan to kill some infidels or Jews?

>It's going to be naw for me dawg. I just bought a house and had another kid. I'm just looking forward to getting off work and going to watch the hockey game while eating a nice burger and drinking a nice
hazy IPA.

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Quote (ofthevoid @ 14 May 2024 03:53)
Maybe I'm just projecting my values so I'm failing to see the zealotry, that maybe persists even if times are good.

>Habibi you want to go plan to kill some infidels or Jews?

>It's going to be naw for me dawg. I just bought a house and had another kid. I'm just looking forward to getting off work and going to watch the hockey game while eating a nice burger and drinking a nice
hazy IPA.


Pretty much it. Jews in the Middle East. Chinese in the South East Asia. Not the China Chinese, the local Ethnic Chinese in South East Asia.

>Habibi, you wanna go sexy some Chinese girls ? They are infidels.

> Naw Habibi, I need to go play football with my brothers and play guitar with Ahmad at 9.00 PM at the void deck. At 12.00 I have a D2R team for reset, I need to be in top condition.
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