Quote (Goomshill @ May 13 2024 07:09am)

Why should moral culpability enter the equation to begin with? If we judge the world on their beliefs and willingness to embrace terrorism or genocide, there are plenty more than just hamas and the palestinians. Most of the Arab world now aligned loosely with Israel because of their common Persian threat would still gladly throw a Jew down a well. It is incumbent upon Israel to minimize collateral damage and protect Palestinian lives no matter whether they are worthy or not, any noncombatants no matter if they are sworn blood enemies. When you conquer a place, you become responsible for it and its people, and I'd like to think the Knesset won't approve building pyramids of skulls like the mongol horde once did

Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 12 2024 10:56pm)

I largely agree with your sentiment here, but the bolded part is still problematic since roughly half the population of Gaza was born after 2007, when Hamas came to power and the last election took place.

Polls and also clips of the celebrations after the Oct 7 attacks indicate that a clear majority of Gaza's population supports Hamas and its savagery, so the moral culpability is ultimately the same, but arguing with an election from almost 20 years ago doesn't really cut it.




It demonstrates their military might, yes. It does not necessarily demonstrate their unwavering determination, and it has exposed Israel's weakness in terms of strategic planning and on the propaganda front. Israel's sway over the global public opinion has clearly diminished.

Israel is definitely better off with the approach they've taken compared to an alternate reality in which they showed "mercy" and didn't retaliate. But yes, they've maneuvered themselves into a corner; at this point, packing it up and going home might be better for Israel than going into Rafah and causing a bloodbath. The best option would of course be a gradual evacuation of Rafah in which all outgoing people are vetted, so that legit civilians can be separated from Hamas fighters.

Quote (APQ @ May 13 2024 01:18pm)

Muslims and Jews live peaceful in Palestine before radicals (Zionists) found a state for only Jews by ethnical cleansing hundreds of thousands Muslims. That when this started.

Jewish occupiers have murdered Muslims 50 to 1 or more. Israel always live and kill in fear because their foundation is crime and discrimination. Apartheid and occupation, stealing land are Israel core policies.

Muslims will never forgive or forget. No one would. Not you, not me. At moment Israel have all the power and tank and plane, but it will not be forever. Their women and children support radical leaders who murder innocent people. We think that makes them fair targets? Israel is destroying any chance for peaceful future.

Quote (APQ @ May 13 2024 03:18pm)

Muslims and Jews live peaceful in Palestine before radicals (Zionists) found a state for only Jews by ethnical cleansing hundreds of thousands Muslims. That when this started.

Jewish occupiers have murdered Muslims 50 to 1 or more. Israel always live and kill in fear because their foundation is crime and discrimination. Apartheid and occupation, stealing land are Israel core policies.

Muslims will never forgive or forget. No one would. Not you, not me. At moment Israel have all the power and tank and plane, but it will not be forever. Their women and children support radical leaders who murder innocent people. We think that makes them fair targets? Israel is destroying any chance for peaceful future.

Quote (WhiteSouned @ May 13 2024 03:44pm)

Get your facts straight.
Muhammad butchered Jews and so modern Muslims.
Tell me how many Jews are left in Egypt? Syria ? Lebanon? Yemen ?I’ll stop at this point coz there are 50 something muslim countries.. point made.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ May 13 2024 03:43pm)

Assad killed more fellow muslims in one month than Israel have killed in 70 years.

Quote (APQ @ May 13 2024 03:46pm)

You support Assad? Dumb argument to say someone else even more bad. Only people who dont want to talk about bad make.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ May 13 2024 05:58pm)

Your doing exactly that. Hamas started the war but you failed to mention that fact whatsoever.

Quote (APQ @ May 13 2024 05:42pm)

You talk about all those countries because you know I right about Palestine. Before Zionist did ethnic cleansing, Muslim and Jews co-existed in peace.

Israel are the butchers. Tens thousands dead children. And women. You support child killers?