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Jan 17 2017 10:30am
Quote (IceMage @ Jan 17 2017 10:47am)
Trump will just flip-flop like he has on practically every political issue throughout his life... or he'll deny that he ever said insurance for everybody. We're in post-truth Trump land, where CNN is fake news, Breitbart and Infowars tell the truth, and Putin is better than Obama.


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Jan 17 2017 10:38am
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bragging about a hypothetical situation that cannot happen per the Constitution in order to play up his own legacy (which was rejected by the voters) is being petulant.
they weren't irrelevant when you and many others were saying 'lol drumpf is done now look at these polls'

polls don't matter because they no longer reflect opinion - they're used to influence it. see below:

http://i.imgur.com/h2guXnm.png

remember (C)linton was going to win GA, TX, AZ, and put KS into play because of what the polls said. but hey that 20th-century frame of thinking is all good - keep it up for another 10 years!
winning big on the popular vote is like bragging about scoring the most total points or runs in a best of 7 game series but losing the series 4-2. that's a little too nuanced for a strung-out 4x loser-backing person like yourself to understand though :)

e: look at those winning margins by Obama against the RINO duo of McCain and Romney :lol: what beatdowns! then he effectively runs against Trump in (C)linton's stead (she didn't even go to Wisconsin once) and Trump beats him in all 3 states :rofl:


No, it's just being candid and honest. Obama's right, he would've won a third term against Trump, and it likely would've been an electoral landslide.

On election day I don't think any reasonable person thought Clinton would win GA, TX, or KS. My electoral map didn't have any of those states in it. AZ was closer. Again, you'll dodge all day but the Trump campaign didn't think they were going to win election night. Their internal polling had it closer than many of the public polls, but they got it wrong as well.

Now, a stupid person like yourself will take that to mean all polling is inaccurate(unless of course it shows Trump winning states in the primary, winning states in the general, or any information that benefits your cult leader). You missed my point on the popular vote... Clinton was up big nationally and she won big nationally. That's why national polls are sort of irrelevant.

Voters didn't reject Obama's legacy, they rejected a seriously flawed, status quo candidate. Obama's approval rating(oh no more polls!) is very high which is why part of Trump's strategy was to not focus on Obama specifically in the general election.

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Jan 17 2017 10:41am
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No, it's just being candid and honest. Obama's right, he would've won a third term against Trump, and it likely would've been an electoral landslide.

On election day I don't think any reasonable person thought Clinton would win GA, TX, or KS. My electoral map didn't have any of those states in it. AZ was closer. Again, you'll dodge all day but the Trump campaign didn't think they were going to win election night. Their internal polling had it closer than many of the public polls, but they got it wrong as well.

Now, a stupid person like yourself will take that to mean all polling is inaccurate(unless of course it shows Trump winning states in the primary, winning states in the general, or any information that benefits your cult leader). You missed my point on the popular vote... Clinton was up big nationally and she won big nationally. That's why national polls are sort of irrelevant.

Voters didn't reject Obama's legacy, they rejected a seriously flawed, status quo candidate. Obama's approval rating(oh no more polls!) is very high which is why part of Trump's strategy was to not focus on Obama specifically in the general election.

uh, wrong
Trump was running against (C)linton [who had Obama carrying her water saying this is personal, my legacy is on the ballot, don't boo vote - i'll pull up an article for you if need because you were probably drooling after your 3rd SSRI cocktail of that day and missed it] and he said if you want more of the same (Obama) vote for her. 304-227, oops

>calls others stupid
>has convinced himself that voting for a pro-abortion candidate is 'the christian thing to do"

:rofl:

e: here's some articles from noted reich-wing websites:
http://www.nbcnews.com/card/obama-my-legacy-ballot-n656066
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-final-push-on-decision-day-obama-is-not-on-the-ballot-but-his-legacy-is/2016/11/08/e70d18c6-a206-11e6-8d63-3e0a660f1f04_story.html?utm_term=.907ff3e951ca
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/12/1581510/-Obama-ties-his-legacy-to-Hillary-Clinton-s-candidacy-in-powerful-new-video
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/obama-congressional-black-caucus-228327

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Jan 17 2017 10:47am
I like how he argues with civil rights icons over hurt feelings on Twitter on MLK day.

What a loser!
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Jan 17 2017 10:52am
Quote (Skinned @ 17 Jan 2017 12:47)
I like how he argues with civil rights icons over hurt feelings on Twitter on MLK day.

What a loser!

yeah the Civil Rights icon who said Bernie Sanders didn't do shit for the Civil Rights movement :lol:
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2016/02/john-lewis-bernie-sanders-civil-rights
Civil Rights Hero John Lewis Slams Bernie Sanders
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/john-lewis-on-sanders-civil-rights-work-never-saw-him/
John Lewis on Sanders’ civil rights work: ‘Never saw him’

and then decided to back the racist, 'superpredator' crime bill totting failure of a (c)andiate (C)linton. the one who worked with Barry Goldwater's campaign in 1964 :rofl:
typical hypocritical modern-era racist liberal democrat tactics.

enjoy all those 'madame president' posters and stickers you're taking a huge loss on

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Jan 17 2017 10:59am
Quote (excellence @ Jan 17 2017 11:41am)
uh, wrong
Trump was running against (C)linton [who had Obama carrying her water saying this is personal, my legacy is on the ballot, don't boo vote - i'll pull up an article for you if need because you were probably drooling after your 3rd SSRI cocktail of that day and missed it] and he said if you want more of the same (Obama) vote for her. 304-227, oops

>calls others stupid
>has convinced himself that voting for a pro-abortion candidate is 'the christian thing to do"

:rofl:

e: here's some articles from noted reich-wing websites:
http://www.nbcnews.com/card/obama-my-legacy-ballot-n656066
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-final-push-on-decision-day-obama-is-not-on-the-ballot-but-his-legacy-is/2016/11/08/e70d18c6-a206-11e6-8d63-3e0a660f1f04_story.html?utm_term=.907ff3e951ca
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/12/1581510/-Obama-ties-his-legacy-to-Hillary-Clinton-s-candidacy-in-powerful-new-video
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/obama-congressional-black-caucus-228327


Yeah, Obama did all he could to try to convince the Obama coalition to get out and vote. Obama tying his legacy to Hillary's candidacy was a strategic move to get his voters out to the polls. They didn't. They weren't inspired by Hillary, and Obama wasn't on the ballot. Poll(not fake news) after poll(not fake news) showed that America wanted a change candidate, and Hillary wasn't it. Plain and simple.

I've never taken SSRI's so either you have me mistaken for someone else or are a weak troll. Maybe both?

Quote (Skinned @ Jan 17 2017 11:47am)
I like how he argues with civil rights icons over hurt feelings on Twitter on MLK day.

What a loser!


Sad!

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Jan 17 2017 11:02am
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Trump will just flip-flop like he has on practically every political issue throughout his life... or he'll deny that he ever said insurance for everybody. We're in post-truth Trump land, where CNN is fake news, Breitbart and Infowars tell the truth, and Putin is better than Obama.


Truthland ended when the welfare state began.

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Truthland ended when the welfare state began.


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Jan 17 2017 12:33pm
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Obama hasn't been petulant at all, just candid about what would of happened if he ran against Trump. If Donald wasn't such a thin-skinned baby he would see that.

You have a hard time understanding that completely made up stories(like Pizzagate) are fake news, and inaccurate polling is just inaccurate polling. The Trump campaign didn't think they were going to win on election day, lol.

Actually that +12 polling isn't bad. Like many expect, the third party vote shrinks on election day. National polls are sort of irrelevant because Hillary did win big on the popular vote(almost 3 million more). That's a little too nuanced for you to understand though.




pizzagate was fake news. reports about trump paying russian hookers to golden shower a hotel bedroom in which obama had (allegedly) stayed some months before is just as wild a story as pizzagate. if mainstreammedia wasnt so biased against trump that they are willing to believe any absurd news that is bad for him, nobody would give this story any credit.

likewise, both campaigns knew about the voting system in place, which is the electoral college. therefore, both campaigns tried to maximize their electoral vote, not the popular vote. hence, no one knows what would have happened if both candidates had fought for the popular vote; for example if trump had campaigned in california and new york and dallas and so on. therefore, the 3 million more popular votes for clinton dont mean jackshit. they are irrelevant.

but maybe those two points are a little too nunced for you to understand.



Quote (IceMage @ 17 Jan 2017 16:47)
Trump will just flip-flop like he has on practically every political issue throughout his life... or he'll deny that he ever said insurance for everybody. We're in post-truth Trump land, where CNN is fake news, Breitbart and Infowars tell the truth, and Putin is better than Obama.


well, when it comes to representing and enforcing their respective countries' interestes abroad, putin is without a doubt better than obama. (I dont know enough about russian domestic policy to compare it to obamas...)

besides that.... sometimes breitbart and inforwars do tell the truth - often times in situations where the truth doesnt fit the liberal narrative. conversely, CNN and the other mainstream media mostly dont tell blatant lies, but often enough hold back important info so that the report gets skewed and biased in the desired direction. yes, CNN is, overall, more serious and trustworthy than breitbart. but not everything CNN tells you is the truth, and not everything breitbart reports on is fake news. I'd even dare to say that breitbart and CNN/the MSM are about equal when it comes to blowing minor incidents out of proportion.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 17 2017 12:34pm
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