it's probably because you don't understand basic international laws and the principles of proportionality and distinction - both parties are bound by international law to take all feasible measures to spare civilians.
committing war crimes is illegal under international law, regardless of the actions of the enemy - if hamas commits war crimes by using human shields it doesn't give israel the right to perform war crimes of their own like the deliberate starvation of civilians

and why did you put innocents in quotation above?

Israel enabled Hamas, so you know who are the real criminals and those who kept to help them despite international community majority.



It's crazy, almost everyone could put Israel on a map here. Israel's view was already vastly disfavorable in Europe few years ago, I am talking about Israel's isolation.

Yea. Encouraging Palestine to have free elections so they could nominate terrorist groups as opposed to a somehow-more-moderate dictator was probably a mistake.

A lesson for next time, perhaps?

But that's exactly what war is. For some reason, YOU AND a lot of people assume that wars do not have any innocent civilian deaths. Civilians tend to suffer the most in any war. That's literally why NO ONE wants war when they understand what war is. That's why some religions were formed....because of sooo much war and suffering. lol

When you put religion/politics aside. War simply results in dead civilians. That is the result no matter what you do. America spends soo much money on their military and they do a decent job at prevent innocent civilian deaths. However, we all know they end up killing absurd amounts of innocent people. That's the result of war. In the past, entire villages were slaughtered during war. Now days everyone will do their best to prevent it.

Now, when you get into different types of warfare. Like, genghis khan...or the past leaders in the middle east going back 1000's of years. These type of warfare USES strategies that targets civilians. YOU DO know that right?
This is why some religions were formed dude. Cause when you have wars raged in the past. EVERYONE dies. They don't just kill men. They kill all the boys. Keep women in most cases but generally they kill EVERYONE. To make sure no more threats can spark up in the future. So, you see these terrorists? That's their warfare tactic dude. They target civilians and children. To SCARE you into giving up. It works VERY well. It still works today in many areas lol.

Now, israel is not much better. Bro, this is islam and judaism we're talking about here. Do you know the kind of hate people have had against each other in the past from those religions? They will remove entire villages including women and children and elderly and your entire history.

Anyways, israel needs to stop. They have the major advantage. They don't need to destroy everything. At the same time....people who continue to support hamas TERRORISTS by wanting to eliminate israel needs to stop cause they are getting more palestinians killed. Lol. The fact that people think a nuclear armed israel will just quietly fall to arab nations is scary. With or without the USA/Nato help. Israel and arab nations will kill MILLLLLLLIONS.

I mean MILLLLLLIONS.

I don't know why people are even picking sides. I don't want to pick any sides cause everyone is so ignorant on both sides.

What i want to know is how do we have "HAMAS terrorist leaders" out and about living in other countries running things logistically for hamas terrorists. Like what the hell is that about? Where is the focus in that? Lmfao. We have israel AND palestine suffering due to these HAMAS leaders but everyone ignores them. I'm confused.

There's no next time the criminals and IdIoTs have been exposed already.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/10/was-hamas-elected-to-govern-gaza-george-w-bush-2006-palestinian-election.html

It's such a tough situation to fix. What's interesting is this is just history repeating itself around that region and surrounding countries. Their is 3 religions, and 2 specific ones that loves to WAR in that area through out the last 2000+ years. It just never changes lol. They go through decades of peace and then decades of war. Some times 100+ years of peace. NO matter what you have set up. It will get demolished at some point. It's really intense lol.

in regards to the bolded above, i never said or assumed wars do not result in innocent civilian deaths - we're talking about the principle of proportionality in regards to the deliberate starvation of 2 million civilians...which you seem to think is acceptable since "war simply results in dead civilians"? do you feel the same way about the holocaust?
not sure what to make out of the rest of your rambling after that

This post was edited by SixFour on May 12 2024 01:58pm

I wouldn't accept it. Since war comes with civilian deaths. I would avoid wars at all cost. Lol. I'm focusing directly on WAR correlating with civilian deaths. Nothing beyond that. So if you want to eliminate civilian death. You have to eliminate war. It's like jumping into the ocean and expecting not to get wet. The idea should be...."do not jump into the ocean". Or just don't go to war. Know what i mean?

For example, the protests at our college in my city mainly focused on removing israel. lol. Now, i'm not against protesting at all. I was angry because "removing israel" means more innocent civilian death. I wasn't even focused on anything else. It's like people forget what leads to these conflicts/casualties. No matter what happens if you don't like innocent people dying....you HAVE to avoid war. Right? I'm focusing on that simple concept.

and yeah israel is no better. Israel and gaza are both insanely brutal. Lol

It's just, this is how they both roll. This is who they are. It has always been like this man.
So now, the outside world comes in and apply laws. I understand. It's just, you need to understand what "war" is.
ESPECIALLY, in that region. In north america you'll see natives remove entire villages. In asia you have genghis khan killing EVERYONE and sparing some women and little children.

Israel and gaza is at war. You should KNOW what they both are capable of and RELIGION is being used in both areas right now. That's a different animal when it comes to war.

Anyways, i'm sure the world is coming up with all sorts of solution. It's just taking too long and Israel is just going crazy while we wait.

It would be nice for israel to do better but they aren't like the USA in the way we operate. Israel and the people there have ancient religious beliefs. JUST like the arabs in palestines and all the people there. What do you do? Who wants to go in and play cop? Lol

This post was edited by Crankyjimster on May 12 2024 02:14pm

In this regard, no one stole from Israel its lands, its economic and social balance, and its freedoms: what I mean is that at least these ones had the possibility of remaining civilized. They did not do it, on the contrary.