Quote (thundercock @ 19 Jun 2020 01:15)
So 538 has their poll tracker up and running now:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/Biden is up 8.8 nationally which is pretty large (roughly on par with Clinton vs. Dole). One more point up and you're looking at Reagan vs. Carter. Anyway, that doesn't matter right now because you want to look at polling in swing states. Here is a run down of where we're at now:
Arizona is +3.9 for Biden
Florida is +6.8 for Biden
Georgia is +0.8 for Biden
Iowa is +0.7 for Trump
Michigan is averaging +10 for Biden
Nevada is +7.9 for Biden
New Hampshire is +7.2 for Biden
North Carolina is +2.8 for Biden
Ohio is +2.6 for Biden
Pennsylvania is +5.1 for Biden
Texas is +0.8 for Trump
Wisconsin is averaging +6.5 for Biden
If the election were held today, you would see a 368-170 landslide victory. If Biden pulls off Texas, you're looking at 400+ electoral votes. The fact that Texas, Iowa, and Georgia are in play right now is an unmitigated disaster for the Trump campaign.
In order to make this competitive, Trump needs to increase his polling average by about 5 points. If Biden is only up by 4-5% nation wide, Trump has a very real possibility of pulling off an electoral win.
Well, Trump has botched his part of the coronavirus response and was on the wrong side of public opinion in the aftermath of George Floyd. More generally, these two current crises raise the importance of the topics of 'healthcare' and 'racial relations', which are quite literally his worst two issues. On top of that, the coronavirus pandemic has shredded his strongest selling argument, the booming economy, through no fault of his own.
Trump was very lucky throughout his first 3 years in office when it comes to external crises, but now he got hit by a huge, nasty double whammy with which any incumbent would have struggled.
The point I'm tryign to make is that Trump is quite clearly at a low point right now, and that it is reasonable to expect him to rebound quite a bit.
I think those numbers are good and roughly show where America is standing right now. If the election was held next Tuesday, Trump would imho indeed lose in a landslide. But like I said, there is plenty of reason to expect him to close the gap over the coming months. And in that case, those battleground polls show that Trump will once again hold a distinct advantage in the electoral college.
For example, according to these polls, Arizona is still 4.9% to the right of the nation as a whole, while it was R+5.5 in 2016. So the talk about how Arizona has shifted massively to the left seems overblown to me. From a strategic "where will the electoral college be if the race tightens"-point of view, the only really worrisome number in there for Trump is Florida. (And note that if it doesnt tighten, then he's toast anyway...) This might reflect Biden's relative strength with voters 65+, and how Trump has lost ground with this block since corona. I'm sceptical that this will stick though.
On the flip side, I'm surprised by those Pennsylvania numbers. With Biden being from the state and being less toxic to white working-class voters, I would have expected him to be a better fit for PA than Clinton was. Instead, those polls suggest hat PA has moved further to the right since 2016. Back then, it was R+2.8, now it stands at R+3.7. This is particularly strange since Michigan and Wisconsin have moved to the left. (MI from R+2.3 in 2016 to D+1.2, WI from R+2.9 to R+2.3.)
This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jun 18 2020 10:46pm