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May 16 2016 06:35pm
Quote (duffman316 @ May 16 2016 07:28pm)
just found this

many people normally make a new years resolution to hit the gym and lose some weight but there seems to be a demographic of people who take the exact opposite approach of attacking the weight scales that tell them they are obese

ironically this is a form of excercise - if only they'd eat right while smashing scales
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/31/smash-the-scale-new-years-resolution-revolution_n_4524224.html

http://i.imgur.com/FQAp9ZB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bi25nR1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RVfJALw.jpg


Why are you so interested in other people's silly viewpoints?
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May 16 2016 06:44pm
Quote (IceMage @ May 16 2016 07:35pm)
Why are you so interested in other people's silly viewpoints?


because they're fascinating
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Why are you so interested in other people's silly viewpoints?


He doesn't possess a personality of his own so he looks to others for comfort
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May 17 2016 12:08am
Although taxing sugary drinks is something I support, I don't think there's even one single obese person who will reduce their calorie intake because of that tax. Most of these drinks are already relatively expensive compared to healthy stuff anyway, so this just doesn't make enough difference.

Look at what happens in Finland, where they keep on raising the tax on alcohol. People are still drinking themselves to death at the same rates as twenty years ago.

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Although taxing sugary drinks is something I support, I don't think there's even one single obese person who will reduce their calorie intake because of that tax.


why do you support it?
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May 17 2016 12:20am
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why do you support it?


Because the general idea is valid nonetheless: sugary drinks (and sodas in particular) have way more cons than pros, and there are many people who drink these in way too high quantities. I think it's especially problematic when people feed this to their children and essentially do nothing to teach them anything about healthy food.

This type of lifestyle can lead to blood/heart problems which then get treated with money from the health care system. While those people should be free to drink themselves to death if they want to, at least they should be contributing some extra taxes to compensate for those costs.
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May 17 2016 01:00am
the japanese seem to have a solution that works

http://wafflesatnoon.com/illegal-to-be-overweight-in-japan/

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METABO LAW
The law is officially known as the Standard Concerning Implementation Special Health Examinations and Special Public Health Guidance. It is more commonly known as “metabo law,” named after “metabolic syndrome” which is Japan’s official name for obesity. The law became effective in April 2008 and added a new waist measurement requirement to the existing annual checkups required of all 40-75 year olds by local governments and employers.

Is it illegal to be overweight in Japan?
A Japanese man has his waist measured as part of government anti-obesity guidelines.

Men with waists measuring more than 33.5 inches or women with waists measuring more than 35.5 inches are considered “at risk” and are referred to counseling, email and phone monitoring and correspondence, along with motivational support. There is no fine or penalty for those who exceed the recommended measurements.

Some citizens complained of the embarrassment they felt when exposing their stomachs while being measured, so the government decided to allow patients to remain fully clothed and deduct 1.5 centimeters from their final measurement.

GOALS

Local governments and employers must maintain a minimum of 65% participation in the program and meet specific guidelines. The first goal was a 10% reduction in obesity rates by 2012, with a 25% goal by the year 2015. Over 50 million Japanese are expected to be measured each year.

Now that 2015 is history, it isn’t clear if or when the Japanese government will reveal whether or not the original goal was met.

PENALTIES
There is no penalty or punishment for individuals. The law is aimed at pressuring companies and local governments. Employers unable to meet the guidelines will be forced to pay nearly 10% higher payments into the national health insurance program. This can equate to millions of dollars for large corporations. Computer manufacturer NEC originally stated that it could face fines reaching $19 million under the policy.

EFFECT

The annual waist measurements have prompted some people to crash diet in the weeks leading up to their yearly checkup. Some companies offer their employees free gym memberships or special diet plans. There has also been an increase in the sale of health products related to the metabo law.
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May 17 2016 03:43am
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the japanese seem to have a solution that works

http://wafflesatnoon.com/illegal-to-be-overweight-in-japan/


Incentivize business to hire thin people and fire fat people. I like it.
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Quote (howtodisappearcompletely @ May 17 2016 07:08am)
Although taxing sugary drinks is something I support, I don't think there's even one single obese person who will reduce their calorie intake because of that tax. Most of these drinks are already relatively expensive compared to healthy stuff anyway, so this just doesn't make enough difference.

Look at what happens in Finland, where they keep on raising the tax on alcohol. People are still drinking themselves to death at the same rates as twenty years ago.


The sugar tax burden falls mostly on the poorest, as cheap food & drink is often unhealthy and laced with sugar. Richer people can always replace that food/drink with more expensive substitutes that have less sugar and avoid paying the tax.

Quote (duffman316 @ May 17 2016 08:00am)
the japanese seem to have a solution that works

http://wafflesatnoon.com/illegal-to-be-overweight-in-japan/


That's a bit too authoritarian imo. People have the right to be fat and left alone. We should find monetary ways to incentivise people losing weight, such as a deductible for annual healthcare costs if you are in a healthy weight range
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