You do realize the US impose weapon embargo on Israel up until the 1960’s we are here to stay with the US support or without.

This post was edited by Many_Names on May 9 2024 05:07pm

Curious, what exactly is the objective for Israel in Gaza anyway? People just see the 25,000+ women and children killed and we're just wondering when exactly is this "done"

The objective is destroy Hamas and free the hostages.
So far they have accomplished neither.

I actually support those objectives but the strategy in my opinion only, has been dreadful.
The IDF to my understanding is around 150k potentially far more when needed.
Hamas is upto 50k fighters.

They've moved 2 million people from Gaza to Khan Younis, from Khan Younis to Rafah, from Rafah back to Khan Younis.
It's becoming a farse and akin to a death march through the desert.

The US has paused a shipment of high calibre bombs, essentially. That is all they've done. According to some this is a betrayal if Israel.
Which is laughable. Using this as an excuse for failing to free the hostages is a shame to hear. Its been 7 months already. This is not Iraq or Afghanistan this is 50 square miles of land.
They've been saying that Israel should not storm Rafah with 1.5million civilians still inside. Hamas agreed to a ceasefire and Netanyahu refused it.

So it's understandable Biden and others would begin to question the Israeli PMs intention and ability to complete the objectives he himself set.

Allies can and do disagree with each other strategy. The unappreciative tone from some is misplaced imo.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on May 9 2024 05:48pm

Hamas is torturing the population of a city of 143,000 by holding hostages while they all starve.

Its inhumane to not clear out Hamas.



Arrest or elimination of Hamas leadership in Rafah, their headquarters.

This will be difficult because they have many tunnel networks.

This post was edited by EndlessSky on May 9 2024 06:18pm

If they let us be from the beginning we would have been behind ut already.
I also think that if they have disagreement they should use private channels between them going to the media was poor and stupid.
Allies can disagree, they cant interfere with their ally war effort by telling the enemy on world stage we are not helping them anymore.

So what's the ideal outcome for Israel? Palestinians pushed out as refugees to Egypt / Europe / US? Israel annexes the territory? Sometimes it seems like that's what they are pushing for.

More settlements per the long game that has been going on for decades. The civilian death count is absolutely grotesque.

Israel is entitled to US help unconditionally? Else it's interference? Last I checked US was a sovereign nation.

Allowing Hamas to prosper will foster the rise of other ISIS-like groups. Just look at Iran's planned missle strikes.

It actually is in our best interest to stop Hamas now while they are still weak.

It looks like Biden is playing a completely different game though atm.

Its interference when an ally goes to the media and say we have issues with their attacks we ate not going to provide more weapons to you specially when negotiations is going on.



Israel doesnt want more settlements in Gaza thats Hamas propaganda


He is playing election game

This post was edited by Many_Names on May 10 2024 01:10am