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Quote (Meanwhile @ May 5 2024 04:16pm)
So i have to repeat ? Show me a post in this topic where I am "chanting" hamas propaganda, or where I am "supporting Terrorists" ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27esxkQtfTc

Or... Go back in you hohohohole.


Perhaps I misunderstood. Allow me to ask you this and figure out your position.

Is Hamas responsible for the current war?
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Perhaps I misunderstood. Allow me to ask you this and figure out your position.

Is Hamas responsible for the current war?


Well?
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A 25 page report.

What are your thoughts on my question?
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A 25 page report.

What are your thoughts on my question?


Well, I think there's layers to your question, that are both historical and present-day. Did Hamas come to power by a coup? No. But when was the last time a vote took place in Gaza? 2006, where I believe Hamas won 44% of the total vote, and did not win a majority in any individual region of Gaza. Subsequently, they utilized violence and murder to cement their power, and there has not been an election since. Very few of Gaza's present-day population voted during this election--let alone for Hamas, especially since nearly 50% of Gaza's population wasn't even alive during the 2006 election.

Present-day Palestinians have some views that should also be taken into consideration alongside other factors, such as Support for Hamas v. Whether Hamas Committed Atrocities as Measured by Video Evidence Watched from 10/7. For example:





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Well, I think there's layers to your question, that are both historical and present-day. Did Hamas come to power by a coup? No. But when was the last time a vote took place in Gaza? 2006, where I believe Hamas won 44% of the total vote, and did not win a majority in any individual region of Gaza. Subsequently, they utilized violence and murder to cement their power, and there has not been an election since. Very few of Gaza's present-day population voted during this election--let alone for Hamas, especially since nearly 50% of Gaza's population wasn't even alive during the 2006 election.

Present-day Palestinians have some views that should also be taken into consideration alongside other factors, such as Support for Hamas v. Whether Hamas Committed Atrocities as Measured by Video Evidence Watched from 10/7. For example:

https://i.imgur.com/4NNCjD1.png

https://i.imgur.com/NiZ8gvg.png

https://i.imgur.com/VHcgJCf.png


Let's just base our opinions on your own poll.... these people are morally despicable. Your polls simply enforce what I already believed.
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Let's just base our opinions on your own poll.... these people are morally despicable. Your polls simply enforce what I already believed.


I wonder what your thoughts are on how to pursue peace with those deemed "morally despicable"?
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I wonder what your thoughts are on how to pursue peace with those deemed "morally despicable"?


bring them to their knees until they surrender will be a good start
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bring them to their knees until they surrender will be a good start


What does it mean to "bring them to their knees" in the real-world setting, specific to this conflict?
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What does it mean to "bring them to their knees" in the real-world setting, specific to this conflict?


To Cause them as mush suffering as possible until they surrender and spew Hamas members out of their ranks.
apologize for October 7th, accept the fact that Jews are also humans worth living.
and live besides Israel peacefully without any offensive weapons.
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To Cause them as mush suffering as possible until they surrender and spew Hamas members out of their ranks.
apologize for October 7th, accept the fact that Jews are also humans worth living.
and live besides Israel peacefully without any offensive weapons.


And if the suffering is meant to facilitate those outcomes, then in the absence of those outcomes, there is no limit or stop to the infliction of suffering?
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