Quote (IceMage @ May 2 2024 05:47pm)

What's a fair estimate of the culpability of the Palestinian populace for the current situation in Gaza?

Non-combatants being killed in a war is normal but bad, I think we can all agree on that, especially when they are children. But Hamas didn't come to power by a coup.

It seems to me that a lot of mainstream media talking points talk about the situation as if Hamas is holding the people hostage because they have all the guns. But based on polling and the videos of Israeli hostages, taken back to Gaza, being spitted on and cursed by Palestinian civilians, I think maybe many Palestinians brought this situation on themselves.

I admit I'm ignorant about this issue, which is why I ask PaRD. I think I know the position of Many_Names already, but looking for other opinions as well.

Quote (IceMage @ May 2 2024 08:47pm)

What's a fair estimate of the culpability of the Palestinian populace for the current situation in Gaza?

Non-combatants being killed in a war is normal but bad, I think we can all agree on that, especially when they are children. But Hamas didn't come to power by a coup.

It seems to me that a lot of mainstream media talking points talk about the situation as if Hamas is holding the people hostage because they have all the guns. But based on polling and the videos of Israeli hostages, taken back to Gaza, being spitted on and cursed by Palestinian civilians, I think maybe many Palestinians brought this situation on themselves.

I admit I'm ignorant about this issue, which is why I ask PaRD. I think I know the position of Many_Names already, but looking for other opinions as well.

Quote (EndlessSky @ 3 May 2024 05:19)

>vote Hamas into power
>in a poll, fill out that 70% of your people approve of the October 7th attack on Israel
>claim to be a victim

Best part is that the blue-hairs believe them.

Quote (IceMage @ 3 May 2024 03:47)

What's a fair estimate of the culpability of the Palestinian populace for the current situation in Gaza?

Non-combatants being killed in a war is normal but bad, I think we can all agree on that, especially when they are children. But Hamas didn't come to power by a coup.

It seems to me that a lot of mainstream media talking points talk about the situation as if Hamas is holding the people hostage because they have all the guns. But based on polling and the videos of Israeli hostages, taken back to Gaza, being spitted on and cursed by Palestinian civilians, I think maybe many Palestinians brought this situation on themselves.

I admit I'm ignorant about this issue, which is why I ask PaRD. I think I know the position of Many_Names already, but looking for other opinions as well.

Quote (Many_Names @ May 3 2024 12:30am)

What is blue-hairs?

Quote (EndlessSky @ 3 May 2024 08:06)

Leftist radicals in America have a habit of dying their hair rainbow colors.

Quote (EndlessSky @ May 2 2024 10:19pm)

>vote Hamas into power
>in a poll, fill out that 70% of your people approve of the October 7th attack on Israel
>claim to be a victim

Best part is that the blue-hairs believe them.

Quote (Jupe @ 3 May 2024 13:21)

one group has more power than the other, so one is the oppressed victim and the other is the oppressor

Quote (Jupe @ May 3 2024 06:21am)

one group has more power than the other, so one is the oppressed victim and the other is the oppressor

Quote (Many_Names @ May 3 2024 07:00pm)

The fact that one group has more power doesnt make it the oppressor.
And surely doesnt make the other party a victim.

If you are weak you do not attack someone who can destroy you since if you do, you will be destroyed