Quote (Handcuffs @ 24 Apr 2024 20:07)

Which remains a primary barrier to peace, or a meaningful two-state solution. I know there are some people who study international peace, and I wonder what thoughts they have, and what is actually possible.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 24 2024 02:17pm)

This is a conflict which some of the world's finest diplomats and foreign policy experts tried to solve for literally half a century, to no avail.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 24 2024 11:17am)

This is a conflict which some of the world's finest diplomats and foreign policy experts tried to solve for literally half a century, to no avail. The obvious solution would of course have been to resettle the Palestinians to surrounding Arab countries back in the 1950s when there were only 500k of them. They could have been absorbed into very similar cultures/societies rather easily. But the Arabs weren't ready to accept Israel's existence back then and wanted to use the Palestinians as a cudgel against them. Back then, they still thought that they could eventually defeat (and genocide) the Jewish state.

Then came the events of the Black September, when, in 1970, Palestinian refugees which were hosted by Jordan started a civil war and went as far as trying to coup away and even assassinate the Jordanian king:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September

Since then, no neighboring Arab state will even entertain the idea of taking in the residents of Gaza or the West Bank. Coupled with explosive population growth and the malicious influence of Iran since the Iranian Revolution, you nowadays have an intractable problem.

Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 24 2024 11:11am)

the issue is the difference between pre and post war ideals.

pre-war settlement policy was not that popular, it was the exemplification of the zionist cabal narratives. because it kept happening despite very low approval.

post-war the west bank labels even simple security measures in a war as settlement policy, and those anti-settlement israelis are busy stumping for gazan lives not west bank houses. muddy waters

this really is the case of iran via hamas getting so mad at the abraham accords they set back the entire region decades to a point it may never recover. the israeli govt may turn gaza into the open air prison in truth that college liberal arts majors pretended it was, while iran laughs at dead bodies to further their cause.

on a personal note my wife teaches some half Palestinian half Mexican kids. 2 Mexican brothers marries 2 Gazan sisters. the Gazan sisters got mad at their Mexican husbands and amidst a temporary separation came into the school with clubs and attacked their husbands, at times even around the school liaison officer's head. they both got deported back to Gaza, in September of last year. thats the worst case of poor timing ive ever heard of.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Apr 24 2024 12:45pm)

My idealism will always leave me believing that peace can be possible. Whether it'll actually happen or not, I have no idea.

Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 24 2024 12:17pm)

my realism leads me to believe peace is only an option when both parties desire it. sadly neither does now, and likely wont for a long time. im not one to break up a bar fight unless knives come out.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Apr 24 2024 04:43pm)

Conspiracy bullshit honestly. You can't debate this in good faith or reasoning.

Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 24 2024 07:08pm)

ANY Govt in palestine has zero longterm prospects if it recognized the legitimacy of Israel as a state. even in the west bank they've only kept power while working with israel by refusing to host elections. if they did they'd be voted out in favor of a govt that refuses to accept israel's existence.

palestine has no hopes for statehood realistically, with or without hamas. even if they got "statehood" eventually they'll elect terrorists to run the govt, carry out an attack, and the international community will rightly stop recognizing their statehood. they'll be a failed state. thats best case scenario even if israel said "here u go" and let hamas have gaza.

Quote (Meanwhile @ Apr 24 2024 08:57pm)

The European Union’s top diplomat, Josep Borrell, said in january that Israel created and financed Hamas in order to weaken the Palestinian Authority led by the Fatah party.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/


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Quote (Meanwhile @ Apr 24 2024 01:57pm)

The European Union’s top diplomat, Josep Borrell, said in january that Israel created and financed Hamas in order to weaken the Palestinian Authority led by the Fatah party.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/


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Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 24 2024 10:03pm)

if you have an IQ of 12 you may take that quote to mean "without israel no terrorist organization rules gaza", when instead "without israel no hamas rules gaza". with or without israel a terrorist organization rules in gaza.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Apr 24 2024 10:02pm)

Ok, and you stretch that to Israel supported Hamas to provide a false flag to invade Gaza, which they theoretically could have done anyway.

Your involvement in this thread can be closed. Unless you plan to be honest and level headed.

Quote (Meanwhile @ Apr 24 2024 02:10pm)

If you have 170 IQ & time travel abilities you can say that for sure.



There's nothing to strech: fuelling Hamas was a clear move from Israeli's far right in charge since DECADES: To maintain, provoke, violences in order to get reelected, to steal more lands, and to "excuse" or "JUSTIFY" more crimes.

This is an old trick, it's state's level planification.