Israel does as well though.

if we're all being honest israel is far closer to a 2 state solution than palestine is, not that even pre-war either party was particularly close.

gaza is a massive liability for israel. they are tasked with massive security costs to reject small arms missiles. they provide water and electricity. and they have to spend large amounts screening all incoming freight into the region for weapons and missile components.

its just the a free palestine as it currently stands is a larger liability.

They essentially gave Gaza to Palestinians and they did exactly what you described.
Israel gave them the keys to greenhouses and they ripped out the plants and dug terror tunnels

if mama says no to cookies but daddy says yes a child will never learn.

mama israel said no a long time ago, daddy iran opened his desk drawer full of oreos.

I have a hard time reconciling this with the Israeli/IDF supported illegal settlement expansion into Palestinian territory.

sure, so the logic there is Israel is planning a takeover of the west bank, one literal block at a time every 6 months to a year, until they take the entire country? until the people get pushed into a small enough area that they break into Jordan and flee?

the lack of logic that settlement policy in the west bank (and that's policy im tacitly against btw) means israel wants all of palestine, is silly. i steal a dollar from you and that means im going to break into your house, shoot your family, and make off with the safe?

settlement policy was at an all time low since the UN began monitoring it in 2017 pre-oct 7th. then shocker israel lunged forward to create outposts and security centers in the west bank.

israel of course tends to move into areas post-demolition. and per the PLA 89 of the 210 demolitions last year were carried out by palestinians, not israel. just some fun context.

It just seems like some cognitive dissonance is lacking amongst the Israeli government, and many supporters of Israel, in this regard. Israel would not tolerate their own behavior from another state.

That's basically the toxic death spiral you get when two sides in a conflict view each other - with good reason! - as an existential threat and use this to justify drastic, unethical measures.

The majority of both the Palestinians and the ultra-orthodox/settlers still believe that their side will be able to outbreed and outmuscle the other side and ultimately expel them from the land that both consider their divine right.




This also goes back to the same kind of concept: as a reaction to the rise of Trump, lefty America embraced its inner authoritarian and started accepting violence, censorship and other undemocratic means in what they view as the struggle against an existential threat.

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Which remains a primary barrier to peace, or a meaningful two-state solution. I know there are some people who study international peace, and I wonder what thoughts they have, and what is actually possible.

the issue is the difference between pre and post war ideals.

pre-war settlement policy was not that popular, it was the exemplification of the zionist cabal narratives. because it kept happening despite very low approval.

post-war the west bank labels even simple security measures in a war as settlement policy, and those anti-settlement israelis are busy stumping for gazan lives not west bank houses. muddy waters

this really is the case of iran via hamas getting so mad at the abraham accords they set back the entire region decades to a point it may never recover. the israeli govt may turn gaza into the open air prison in truth that college liberal arts majors pretended it was, while iran laughs at dead bodies to further their cause.

on a personal note my wife teaches some half Palestinian half Mexican kids. 2 Mexican brothers marries 2 Gazan sisters. the Gazan sisters got mad at their Mexican husbands and amidst a temporary separation came into the school with clubs and attacked their husbands, at times even around the school liaison officer's head. they both got deported back to Gaza, in September of last year. thats the worst case of poor timing ive ever heard of.

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