I was using the first source I could find for the population numbers of Palestine; there would be plenty of other, non-UN sources showing fundamentally the same numbers.

Such objective facts are very different from the subjective legal assessment of bureaucrats or activists from a compromised institution. Particularly one who rants about "colonial amnesia of the West" or the "long-standing process of erasuse of the native Palestinians", a claim which is fundamentally debunked by the fact that Gaza's population doubled between 2000 and 2020. Really tells you all you need to know about the objectivity and political leanings of that woman.

You realise Hamas' sole objective is the destruction of Israel?
As openly stated in its charter.
That by definition is genocide.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Apr 23 2024 11:49pm

There was a very clear escalation of leftist violence on campuses ramping up over the past decade, and this is just the first time the MSM is finally acknowledging it. Its one of those weird moments where the news catches up to the reality we were already well aware of, and treats it like it was always the status quo. It was only ~8-10 years ago we started seeing the trend of campuses using the threat of violence as an excuse to silence speech, permitting that violence by students as long as it lined up with the university's political agenda. Conservative speakers hounded and barricaded while mobs tried to break in, that kind of thing. When the October 7th attacks happened, even here in Minensota we had a parade at the U of M where Islamists drove down Washington Avenue waving Hamas flags on their vehicles. Today there is an encampment started at Northrop Mall to emulate the Columbia / Yale mobs, with 9 arrests; https://twitter.com/CrimeWatchMpls/status/1782793505783390718
and of course representative Ilhan Omar showed up to give a speech to them
and even as I write this, turns out the cops are dispersing that encampment right now; https://twitter.com/WatchDogUMN/status/1782992002306441563

Universities are really failing here, at the very least they ought to be able to handle basic anti-war level demonstrations, guess they still working on it. Instead, they have allowed fringe extremist leftists to undermine any critical academic discussion around this issue. Perhaps it's easier for the institutions to allow these protests to devolve rather than correctly moderate it. It's a lose-lose for the students though. Critical debate on one of the top issues left to mob dynamics. Students feeling genuine safety concerns from both sides, but MSM pumping the anti-Semitic angle and discounting islamaphobia.

Also questions the authenticity of some of the stories around campus events. The stabbed eye lady become the jabbed eye lady within hours.

Anyways, I pin the failure in the academic institutions. Can't even teach their pupils civil discourse. Worse it opens up blanket censorship and group defamation when they attribute to fringe extremist mob actors.


You'll like this
https://thehill.com/homenews/education/4611065-ilhan-omar-daughter-columbia-protests-barnard-new-york/

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Apr 24 2024 06:26am

Its a simple issue if you've got sane authorities in the university administration, the police and courts. If protesters are being civil, they are free to speak out and that needs to be protected. If they are threatening or attacking people, they need to be arrested on the spot and charged with serious crimes. If they are engaging in mob violence and intimidation, the police need to declare an unlawful assembly and arrest those who don't disperse. And any students or staff involved all get fired and prosecuted.

To me its like, how would a university moderate a discussion forum in the public campus if people kept going up to the podium and taking a shit in their hand and throwing it at the audience like the shitflinging gibbons they are. Well, they should be arrested and expelled. And if they do it en masse, they should be arrested and expelled en masse. The university should neither suppress their speech by refusing them the podium in the first place, nor turn a blind eye to their shit flinging.
Civil discourse only exists when you lay down the law on uncivil discourse, the very action of arresting those who riot is a protection for those who protest peacefully.

Israel Enabled Hamas... Israel's far right helped start Hamas to weaken palestinian hopes for statehood. This is a part of their genocidal plan since decades.
Problem: this insane, fascist, strategy is harming all jews in the world because people tend to amalgamate. Figure out.

Conspiracy bullshit honestly. You can't debate this in good faith or reasoning.

Nice

explain to them that Hamas rejects the 2 states solution all together.

ANY Govt in palestine has zero longterm prospects if it recognized the legitimacy of Israel as a state. even in the west bank they've only kept power while working with israel by refusing to host elections. if they did they'd be voted out in favor of a govt that refuses to accept israel's existence.

palestine has no hopes for statehood realistically, with or without hamas. even if they got "statehood" eventually they'll elect terrorists to run the govt, carry out an attack, and the international community will rightly stop recognizing their statehood. they'll be a failed state. thats best case scenario even if israel said "here u go" and let hamas have gaza.