We will do it immediately with a Republican majority & Republican president hopefully

I believe the Senate will be over 60 Republican seats in 2023, more in 2025

But the specifics matter of course. We are all fine with abortion in the cases of rape and incest. Health of the mother is a case by case basis, would have to be proved beyond a doubt that the woman will die carrying the child

If it overrides State laws yes it may again go to the SC, who would rule in favour of the Federal government if they are conservative

That's the dream atleast as a Christian Theocrat

No I'm saying that the majority agree in some right to pro choice.. down to approving of every step/state etc.? Nope I doubt that 100%. I think there is some middle ground that most people on the left could agree on as far as what point would be too late etc.
but the mass hysteria on the subject never leads to good governance.

Isn’t the middle ground allowing the states to make their own decisions? I am confused. I thought we were back to the middle where it’s going to be roughly half and half, almost guaranteed more states allowing abortion than not.

This post was edited by YeeHaw on Jun 24 2022 05:18pm

I never said I was against states making their own decision. I'm against religion in the US government

"Being Conservative" doesn't mean ruling in favor of the Federal Government. What're you talking about? "Being Conservative" means attempting to Conserve the founding principles as laid out by the Constitution. The Constitution says that rights not enumerated therein fall to the States, or the people. Not to Federal Congress.

I'm fine with California murdering all it's babies and Texas not. Don't like California doing this thing? Move to Texas then. The bottom line is the reason the Constitution limits the rights of the Federal Government so much is specifically because different people have different cultural backgrounds, morals, and beliefs. As long as unborn children continue to be unclassified as to status, no federal law will withstand scrutiny.

The first thing that would need to be done is to class unborn children as American Citizens. And good luck. I could easily give you 20 reasons why that's a losing fight. And until you get that done, so that the Constitution can be used to step in and protect them, child murder will continue unabated in the US for the rest of time.

Going back again to how it is always the left making it a religious argument. I am sure some on the right have brought it up but that is not the position of most anti abortion supporters, including myself. I am not religious in any way shape or form, but I know it is wrong to kill babies. This is not because god or something told me.

Why does a moral dilemma have to be portrayed as a religious question? There is a huge difference between religion and morality.

This post was edited by YeeHaw on Jun 24 2022 05:23pm

That's not what I meant - I meant that a conservative SC would produce an opinion in favour of a Federal abortion ban



I'm not up in arms about people in California still having abortions let, I'm fine to let them destroy their entire state on their own atleast for a little while

You're right that in the end it would come down to a Supreme Court 10th amendment argument.

Then again, a supermajority can always change the Constitution so who knows what will happen

every1 gets their turn, he wouldnt be called an angel that masquerades as light unless he could pretend to be his brother jesus as well.

Fake christians are as bad as atheists. Imagine not going around the world and telling people they need to speak english and own a dollar store book to be worthy of life.
Now imagine not telling people they are remnants from bacteria and that nothing matters. LOL clown world.

I don't believe a conservative Supreme Court judge would or in good conscience could support a federal abortion ban law unless the prior requirement of unborn children being classed as citizens was met.

There are a lot of issues here that are pretty terrible to consider that this touches on. There are unborn children who are aborted for some very sensible reasons. No ability to produce skin, missing lungs, major abnormalities that would lead to nothing but torturous pain for the child for the entire term of it's life, short though that may be. Should we be forced to inflict that level of pain on such a child, or is it better to provide them mercy?

In some respects, the Spartan method of disposing of deformed and damaged children was quite merciful to those children. If you start making laws of absolutes, there will always be the exception that proves the horror of your rule.

Hence why decisions such as these should never be made at a Federal level. The federal government is not answerable to you, and will never be. They're the largest, most well-armed gang on the planet, with an annual budget over $6 Trillion these days. Every single encroachment they make into your day to day life, they will fight using every tactic in the book (legal or not) to keep every right they manage to wrest away from both the States and you as an individual.

The part that is typically missed when it comes to the SCOTUS is that they exist as a check on the nearly unbridled capability of the Federal Government to fuck everything up. They did a good job today in righting a nearly 50 year old wrong. Any attempt or discussion of them allowing a federal ban is simply requesting that another wrong be perpetrated by them.

Most scientists agree that the embryo is not a being until a certain point. The religious part is “that it will be” Fair enough how far back in the “it will be” do you go?
Birth control?
Sexual desire?
Because your disagreement with the scientific consensus tells me it’s an emotional or religious reaction
The Christian church used to be against birth control because they wanted to over populate their enemies. They would have nothing stop the birthing of kids.
Me personally I would have no abortions past a heartbeat.
And if the law is in place we must support kids through healthcare and other measures. Not be pro fetus but be pro life