Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 16 2020 09:10pm)

The world cant be shut down indefinitely. We can do this for 2-3 weeks, perhaps 2 months - but certainly not until summer 2021 or whenever a vaccine can be expected to be available for mass production. Keeping up this level of almost non-existent public life much longer than that would cause cataclysmic economic, but also social and psychological damage.

The harsh reality is the following: if the strategy of flattening the curve and building up immunity in the population with maximum control ultimately fails, the world will throw the vulnerable people to the wolves. Going through a recession as severe as during the financial crisis is one thing. But world leaders will never allow the world economy to completely go down the shitter, including crumbing supply chains, hundreds of millions of unemployed, a breakdown of the global financial system and all the social unrest that would follow.

Quote (dro94 @ 16 Mar 2020 21:19)

I think you are confusing strict border control with shutting down your economy.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 16 2020 08:29pm)

I'm not talking about the border controls, I'm talking about shutting down public life. Closing all non-grocery and non-pharmacy stores, closing all clubs, pubs and bars, all museums and theaters, all stadiums and arenas, all hotels and tourism - those are measures already in place throughout Europe. Even this relatively mild level of shutdown (where people can still do their groceries and go to work if home office isnt possible) would create millions of unemployed and gigantic economic ripple effects if it persists much longer than perhaps 2 months.

And we dont even need to talk about maintaining a shutdown where most people are not allowed to go to work, where not just public life but also the whole economy comes to a halt. That this couldnt be kept up for a long time should be obvious.

Quote (dro94 @ 16 Mar 2020 21:36)

I wasn't talking about that though.

I just said Asian countries can 'ease restrictions' once a vaccine has been circulated. By that I mean border restrictions to keep the infected whiteys out.

Cases have pretty much ceased in Asia now so there's no reason to have a domestic shutdown.

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Wolf, as reported, ordered a statewide shutdown that calls for all non-essential businesses in Pennsylvania to close, including non-essential stores, bars and restaurants, except for takeout offerings. It also includes day programs for senior citizens.

Drug stores and grocery stores are among the businesses deemed essential, and which will remain open. Gas stations also will remain open.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 16 2020 08:41pm)

Ah, I see.

Public health experts are currently worried that as long as no sufficient level of herd immunity is built up, infection numbers might go up against once the shutdown of public life is lifted. This also applies to China/SK etc.
In this case, avoiding as many deaths as possible would require the shutdown of public life to be reintroduced and continue until a vaccine is available, which might be well into 2021. That's the debate I was referring to, and I wrongly assumed that this was also what you were talking about.

Quote (dro94 @ 16 Mar 2020 16:48)

In a few weeks there may be zero new coronavirus cases in China, and the same in Japan, SK. HK, Singapore, Taiwan, Vietnam all pretty close already.

If there's no cases where does the virus come from? Infected people coming from abroad can be stopped and the virus dies on surfaces after 2-3 days.

If there aren't any wet markets with the cocktail of bats shitting on pangolins then being handled by humans how exactly will covid 19 proliferate in the future?

Quote (dro94 @ 16 Mar 2020 21:48)

In a few weeks there may be zero new coronavirus cases in China, and the same in Japan, SK. HK, Singapore, Taiwan, Vietnam all pretty close already.

If there's no cases where does the virus come from? Infected people coming from abroad can be stopped and the virus dies on surfaces after 2-3 days.

If there aren't any wet markets with the cocktail of bats shitting on pangolins then being handled by humans how exactly will covid 19 proliferate in the future?