A lawyer with ties to a Russian oligarch close to Putin offered Don Jr. a meeting with Russians, claiming they had damaging info on Hillary and it was part of an effort by the Russian government to help get his dad elected, and Don Jr. seemed happy to enter into a conspiracy with them. So then the most senior campaign people, Manafort, Kushner, and Don Jr. took the meeting.

Yet it's a total stretch to suspect any collusion/conspiracy was established.

Agreed. Florida has become a caricature of itself.

Do you honestly think Don Jr. was even aware of the woman's potential ties to the Kremlin? The best you have is maybe attempted conspiracy, if that's a crime. And that's a huge stretch, since they didn't work with this person. Taking the initial Trump Tower meeting and then not proceeding is at worse, what? Potentially maybe unknowingly engaging in propaganda operations with a foreign agent, ultimately deciding not to proceed? And this is there most solid event to lean on?

What else do is there? Failure to report to the FBI? Alright, maybe you have something there. But that's not too surprising for a candidate run by inexperienced outsiders and political renegades. But now think two steps forward, what do you have there? Negligence? How do you charge someone. As far as I know, there is no law requiring a campaign to report such activity (hence the desire for making such a rule a law).

Russia collusion is just weak, not a lot to go off of. Handful of Facebook ads, Manafort arrested for taxes, Papadopoulos sentenced for like 14 days prison. It's laughable.

Now you should look at ties to Wikileaks and Assange. Seems to be a lot more ties there.

another proof russian investigation is a nothing burger

Was Don Jr. aware? Well, let's see...



Rob Goldstone worked with the Agalarovs....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aras_Agalarov



This is basic Russiagate stuff. I feel like the people who are super skeptical don't even know the public information we have.

Attempted conspiracy is proven. I mean you can choose to believe the accounts of pathological liars like Manafort and Don Jr... I'm a little more skeptical.

This post was edited by IceMage on Nov 14 2018 12:57pm

Incorrect reading.

Don Jr was told a Russian had dirt on Hillary, he accepted.

Russian offer of help turns out to be entrapment, and is now being used to that effect.

Is accepting "dirt" illegal if from Russia? I don't know, but I'd wager no, nor is ordering opposition research on Trump using Russian sources.

Muh Collusion

you're looking at the wrong factors, legally.

"accepting dirt" in reality means "attempt to influence an election". legally that's a vague category compared to how dire the consequences are if used against you.

and it's not "from Russia" it's "from the Russian govt", which excludes your point about oppo research from relevancy.

In this case the Trump campaign is more a victim of circumstance than anything, political oppo research and espionage is an age old game. but we have a unique combination of emails now adays and a spotlight on the trump campaign because of how divisive trump is personally. If hillary won the GOP led congress/senate would have embroiled her in similar controversies based on the FISA warrants that were issued.

What is incorrect about the facts I laid out?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/11/us/politics/donald-trump-jr-email-text.html

Those are the emails... Goldstone makes crystal clear it's coming from the Russian government. I don't know what you mean by entrapment, and there's plenty of articles out there speculating what statutes could be used to charge Trump campaign officials. Law and order Republicans have passed broad statutes giving federal prosecutors a lot of power... God bless them.

This post was edited by IceMage on Nov 14 2018 01:24pm

ya that part seems honestly like a mistaken word usage, in no way shape or form can i even spin this as entrapment. not even with the power of a thousand goomshills.