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Aug 23 2016 10:55pm
Quote (NekoSama @ Aug 23 2016 06:44pm)
If you cannot see the flat earth with your own eyeballs, why do you believe it is truly flat?


Well i believe that if gravity were real, there should be lots of proof for it, and their actually is none - like squat - its all propaganda, and no complete photos of at least one side of the ball?

And once you understand the Flat Earth perspective, they own all the logic and proof.
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Aug 23 2016 10:56pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Aug 24 2016 04:49am)
To know the difference you need to identify which lense is used to provide perspective in that image, once you really understand images and photography - there are clear differences in how the lense effect things when objects move. you can start by seeing their are lots of video up to 120,000 feet that show complete flatness - from that distance - you should clearly see curve on the sides but its flat. The only people that have gone higher are Nasa, the Russian Space program does not show images of Earth.


I am not talking about a camera lens.

I said naked eyes.

That aside, the actual orbital plane is ~327360 feet.

From that height we should in theory be able to see your earth "map".

Again, I am talking about human eye interactions.

Not camera photos.

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Aug 23 2016 11:02pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Aug 24 2016 04:55am)
Well i believe that if gravity were real, there should be lots of proof for it, and their actually is none - like squat - its all propaganda, and no complete photos of at least one side of the ball?

And once you understand the Flat Earth perspective, they own all the logic and proof.


So, again, I want to not misunderstand you.

Your proof that the earth is flat is that you cannot personally prove that gravity exists?

I specifically asked "If you have never seen a flat earth with your own eyes and not through photos, which you believe are Photoshop'd anyways, why do you believe it is real?".

The lack of proof in another subject (gravity) does not disprove the lack of proof about the earth being flat.

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Aug 23 2016 11:09pm
Quote (NekoSama @ Aug 23 2016 06:56pm)
I am not talking about a camera lens.

I said naked eyes.

That aside, the actual orbital plane is ~327360 feet.

From that height we should in theory be able to see your earth "map".

Again, I am talking about human eye interactions.

Not camera photos.


so your saying that you've been to 327360 feet?

and actually u dont need to be that high to see curve if it existed

heres a rare view from a cockpit , the video shows just level



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Aug 23 2016 11:09pm
This theory is stupid as hell, no explanation for seasons! No explanation for gravity other than the flat plane is rising but that does not explain why something continues to fall faster and faster the further it fall! If it was a disc rising things would not speed up as they fell so that alone DISPROVES THIS STUPID ASS THEORY! EXPLAIN THIS SHIT OR STFU!
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Aug 23 2016 11:12pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Aug 23 2016 09:09pm)
so your saying that you've been to 327360 feet?

and actually u dont need to be that high to see curve if it existed

heres a rare view from a cockpit , the video shows just level

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc_9uFQ9Ss4


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Aug 23 2016 11:13pm
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This theory is stupid as hell, no explanation for seasons! No explanation for gravity other than the flat plane is rising but that does not explain why something continues to fall faster and faster the further it fall! If it was a disc rising things would not speed up as they fell so that alone DISPROVES THIS STUPID ASS THEORY! EXPLAIN THIS SHIT OR STFU!


Rhombus Theory explains everything. Gravity is explained by differential motion through the rhombohedral magnetic field of each section of the Earth's faces thereby generating an electric force we call gravity.
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Aug 23 2016 11:21pm
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This theory is stupid as hell, no explanation for seasons! No explanation for gravity other than the flat plane is rising but that does not explain why something continues to fall faster and faster the further it fall! If it was a disc rising things would not speed up as they fell so that alone DISPROVES THIS STUPID ASS THEORY! EXPLAIN THIS SHIT OR STFU!


Seasons work fine because the sun still rotates close and further away from us, between the tropic of cancer and the tropic of capricorn.

Here's a nice paper that shows Gravity is false.

Disproof of Gravity
By Aaron Guerami
aguerami@gmail.com
http://aaronsreality.%2A%2A%2A/
The standard particle model has yet to find any evidence of Gravity. This is most concerning since gravity
is used by most modern equations. Great particle accelerators have hunted for any signs of gravity. None
found!
There are several ways to disprove gravity.
1) Experimentally
One simple experiment shows there is no gravity. The Helium Balloon. It rises. How is this
possible? Classical Mechanics shows that Force equals the Constant of Gravity multiplied by the
Mass of Object 1 multiplied by the Mass of Object 2 divided by the Distance between the two
masses raised to the second power.
F=GM1M2/r^2
With this logic, the mass of the Earth is so great that the helium balloon would have no choice but
to be attracted to the Earth. We have mass 1 pulling on mass 2 and mass 2 pulling on mass 1.
F1 = F2. This is just wrong. The force of the balloon that pulls the Earth is not equal to the force
that the Earth pulls on the balloon. It would not rise. What we see in the experiment that the
helium is rising to meet its level of density.
2) Commutitive
The mathematics of gravity is a concept called Zero Point Mass. This is a mass without a volume.
This is not found in the universe. The main problem here is the reduction of 3 dimensional
densities to 0 dimensional masses. Once a density is reduces to a mass, the mass cannot be
returned to the original shape of the density. So we cannot cube a zero and get anything but
another zero. This breaks the commutative properties of addition.
Let’s look at some of the equations and how gravity fails at a fundamental level.
F=ma : Force equals mass times acceleration.
We have a zero dimensional mass * a 2 dimensional vector and that does not equal a 3
dimensional field. So the main axiom of gravity fails the commutative test.
This alone should disprove gravity.
F = G(M1*M2)/r^2 : Force = The constant of Gravity * (The zero dimensional mass 1 * The zero
dimensional mass 2)/ The 3 dimensional length between them squared. So every object pulls
every other object. The dimensional problem occurs again.
A constant is what is used to fill in the gaps. When things do not work the way we want them to,
we just add a constant to fix the problem. When the equation no longer works, we change the
constant’s value.
Physicists know about this problem. They created gravity waves and shell modeling to
compensate for the dimensionless mass. But gravity is still dimensionless. The dimensionless
mass cannot create a 3 dimensional shape.
We all know that gravity collapses under the scrutiny of the tiny. Quantum level objects do not
show any signs of gravity. The particle accelerators prove this. They have yet to find any force
that works as gravity is described.
3) Gravity fails the multi-body test.
Gravity can only compute the force between 2 objects. Any equation that uses a sum of objects
fails in this way. First the two objects force is computed then the third body is computed with the
resultant of the first two bodies. Then that resultant is computed with the 4 body... That is how
summation works. The problem is that the distance between object 1 and 2 is not evaluated in the
next iteration.
4) Gravity and Complex Systems.
Let’s look at a hurricane that is traveling over the ocean. The spinning winds cause rotation in the
ocean. The low pressure of the storm causes a bulge upward in the ocean. Heat and pressure
are two of the main variables in this system. As the temp increases it decreases the pressure of
the storm, causing an increase in intensity in the storm. The heated air is forced up the eye wall.
This is an example of a temperature/pressure force on density. It is not possible for gravity to
describe this system, with or without spheres.
5) Questions posed by others:
- the rain fall because of gravity.
- the rain occurs because of water vapor cooling (temperature going closer to the dew point).
- the rain formation in itself is a very complex phenomena.
- the dynamics of rain formation depends on the presence of aerosols and fine particles.
- the dynamics of rain formation also depends on complex collision and coalescence
phenomena.
- the ascending motion of air is driven by gravity on all parts of the atmosphere.
- this ascending motion is also affected by the Coriolis force.
- this motion is affected also by the drag of rain.
- this motion is also affected by the detailed geometry of the hurricane.
- the fluid dynamics itself exhibits an incredible complexity, like turbulence and instabilities.
- the term "T" in the Navier-Stokes equation above hides a lot of complexities that often still need
to be understood.
- heat exchange plays an important role, yet it is not simpler than the fluid dynamics.
- the rain fall because of gravity
Rain falls because as cold water it is more dense or less buoyant then the surrounding air.
- the rain occurs because of water vapor cooling (temperature going closer to the dew point).
Yes, that is one way of looking at density and Buoyancy
- the rain formation in itself is a very complex phenomena.
Yes
- the dynamics of rain formation depends on the presence of aerosols and fine particles
Yes, the mixture of dirty water causes it to be a more dense mixture.
- the dynamics of rain formation also depends on complex collision and coalescence
phenomena.
Yes again, as the less dense gas collides with other gases, their temperature reduces and the
gas becomes liquid. This process occurs until the liquid water is heavier than the force of the
updraft.
- the ascending motion of air is driven by gravity on all parts of the atmosphere .
No. The ascending motion of air is due to the changes in temperature. The air heats at the
ground and rises. As it rises it cools and becomes liquid again. The liquid water is more dense
then the surrounding air.
- this ascending motion is also affected by the Coriolis force .
There are only 4 forces, Gluon - nuclear, W Boson - magnetism, Z Boson - electricity, and the
Photon - heat. Those are the only forces that have been experimentally shown.
- this motion is affected also by the drag of rain
Of course, As rain falls it drags against the updraft. This is the friction that removes the heat from
the air. Heat radiates to cold.
- this motion is also affected by the detailed geometry of the hurricane
The motion is the geometry of the cyclone. Geometry is a snapshot in time of an object.
- the fluid dynamics itself exhibits an incredible complexity, like turbulence and instabilities
The whole system is buoyancy. Buoyancy is only fluid dynamics. As a matter of opinion,
everything is fluid dynamics.
- the term "T" in the Navier-Stokes equation above hides a lot of complexities that often still need
to be understood
Like G, they change T frequently. These changes of G try to mimic the evidence. Just change the
constant and you will get what you want to see.
- heat exchange plays an important role, yet it is not simpler than the fluid dynamics
Heat exchange is intrinsic to fluid dynamics. You cannot remove heat from the fluid dynamics
problem.
- yet, suppress gravity and there are no hurricanes anymore
One cannot suppress gravity. Gravity is not real. It’s an old model of how objects move. Evidence
has forced major changes in gravity. There is no supporting evidence of a graviton. It is like the
Higg’s boson. Something that was built to try to explain interactions, but it does not.
6) Silly paradoxes created by gravity.
a. Black Holes are easily disproven by Crothers at sjcrothers.plasmaresources.com
b. Worm holes/Time travel
c. Parallel Universes
d. Relativity
e. Flat universe
f. Graviton decay
g. Higg’s Boson

Kepler's 3 laws are more in line with how planets orbit the sun. This is because of the Sun’s motion
around the galaxy. This causes the elliptical shape of the orbit. Not gravity. Gravity cannot explain 3 body
interactions. If the equation has a G in it then it is a Zero Point Mass system and that does not exist in
the universe.
The rules of the universe are simple. An atoms position in a system is based upon its density in relation to
the surrounding densities and the changes in magnetism, electricity and temperature. Density is the most
important function in determining the position of an object. Density is the vibration intensity within a
volume in relation to the density of the surrounding medium.

Dont simple believe me or call me a troller, there are tons of videos and books and websites and professors that say basically the same thing

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Aug 23 2016 11:23pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 23 2016 07:13pm)
Rhombus Theory explains everything. Gravity is explained by differential motion through the rhombohedral magnetic field of each section of the Earth's faces thereby generating an electric force we call gravity.


proof?

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nice comment

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Aug 23 2016 11:53pm
You posted A bunch of stuff in response to my question but NONE of it answers the question I asked....why do objects fall faster and faster the further they fall? Also you said the sun rotates around us...lmao. Plus I told you their is plenty of videos online of earth from space rotating. And I could argue a lot of the points you posted. The helium balloon rises because the air above it is being pulled down by the forces you mentions thus exerting PSI around it in every direction but slightly more so from below because there is higer psi at bottom of balloon than top. #2 to say we fully understand gravity would not be true, however we a young race in the universe this does not prove it does not exist just that there is more to be learned. #3 starts with gravity can only compute...we compute information not gravity itself lol. #4 has to do with psi again not gravity.

And you mentioned the higgs boson not existing.... On 4 July 2012, the ATLAS and CMS experiments at CERN's Large Hadron Collider announced they had each observed a new particle in the mass region around 126 GeV. This particle is consistent with the Higgs boson predicted by the Standard Model. The Higgs boson, as proposed within the Standard Model, is the simplest manifestation of the Brout-Englert-Higgs mechanism. Other types of Higgs bosons are predicted by other theories that go beyond the Standard Model.
On 8 October 2013 the Nobel prize in physics (link is external) was awarded jointly to François Englert and Peter Higgs "for the theoretical discovery of a mechanism that contributes to our understanding of the origin of mass of subatomic particles, and which recently was confirmed through the discovery of the predicted fundamental particle, by the ATLAS and CMS experiments at CERN's Large Hadron Collider." LMFAO

But you said in #5 it did not exist

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