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May 13 2016 05:11pm
Quote (Neptunus @ 14 May 2016 00:35)
That's analogous to denying the effect of social structures and blaming the poor for their poverty. Certainly you can tell a few people to work harder and they'll eventually make it, but when the majority is stalling there's got to be something more profound behind it. Literally the same line of thought applies to obesity.

Besides, all you shamers are assuming the metabolic rate is staying constant. Such oversimplification is bound to happen when your sources are memes and bro-science videos.


Uh.. why did you quote me?

My post was not in favor of shaming, nor did I discuss the financial status of the persons.

Just that if you eat healthy, you will not be obese. It is that simple.

I never said eating healthy is cheap or easy.
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May 13 2016 05:22pm
Quote (Neptunus @ May 13 2016 04:35pm)
That's analogous to denying the effect of social structures and blaming the poor for their poverty. Certainly you can tell a few people to work harder and they'll eventually make it, but when the majority is stalling there's got to be something more profound behind it. Literally the same line of thought applies to obesity.

Besides, all you shamers are assuming the metabolic rate is staying constant. Such oversimplification is bound to happen when your sources are memes and bro-science videos.


Or you know the mayo-clinic

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/weight-loss/in-depth/metabolism/art-20046508

But ya it's way easier to blame anyone or anything but oneself for the choices they make and the consequences of said choices. Gotta be societies fault, right? After all if society makes one choice easier than the other well fuck it no point in trying at all.

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May 13 2016 06:43pm
Quote (Neptunus @ May 13 2016 05:35pm)
That's analogous to denying the effect of social structures and blaming the poor for their poverty. Certainly you can tell a few people to work harder and they'll eventually make it, but when the majority is stalling there's got to be something more profound behind it. Literally the same line of thought applies to obesity.

Besides, all you shamers are assuming the metabolic rate is staying constant. Such oversimplification is bound to happen when your sources are memes and bro-science videos.


my last post before the one you quoted is literally the exact opposite of this
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May 13 2016 06:47pm
Fuck 'em. If you look like a cow, expect to be treated like you look like a fucking cow. If you look like a bulimic, expect to be treated as a puke machine. If you look like a hooker, expect to be treated like a walking cum dumpster.

Your self image is YOUR problem. Nobody else gives a fuck. If you feel shame because people point out what a disgraceful slob you are? Accept it and move on like any other intelligent human being, or work to change your appearance because you're a shit eating cum dumpster who relies on everyone else's opinion to set your self image.
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May 13 2016 06:53pm
Poor people are poor because of poor choices.
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May 13 2016 07:26pm
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Fuck 'em. If you look like a cow, expect to be treated like you look like a fucking cow. If you look like a bulimic, expect to be treated as a puke machine. If you look like a hooker, expect to be treated like a walking cum dumpster.

Your self image is YOUR problem. Nobody else gives a fuck. If you feel shame because people point out what a disgraceful slob you are? Accept it and move on like any other intelligent human being, or work to change your appearance because you're a shit eating cum dumpster who relies on everyone else's opinion to set your self image.


You sound like a pleasant person.
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May 13 2016 07:30pm
Quote (IceMage @ May 13 2016 06:26pm)
You sound like a pleasant person.


Absolutely!

People who expect to be treated as special snowflakes are unpleasant people to the point of being nearly unbearable to be around. They're also untrustworthy in the extreme when it comes to getting a real opinion, as they're so concerned about feeling they'll lie rather than tell the truth just to be PC.

I find the most pleasant people are those who tell you, "You look like you've been on a 6 week drinking binge, been shit on by a diuretic elephant, and smell funny, too!" Why? I can actually trust that they're telling me the truth as they see it. And I'm always equally free to tell them to fuck off, because they can take an opinion just as well as they give it.

You should try it sometime. It's called being "honest", "forthright", and "real". Damned near a lost art these days. :)
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Absolutely!

People who expect to be treated as special snowflakes are unpleasant people to the point of being nearly unbearable to be around. They're also untrustworthy in the extreme when it comes to getting a real opinion, as they're so concerned about feeling they'll lie rather than tell the truth just to be PC.

I find the most pleasant people are those who tell you, "You look like you've been on a 6 week drinking binge, been shit on by a diuretic elephant, and smell funny, too!" Why? I can actually trust that they're telling me the truth as they see it. And I'm always equally free to tell them to fuck off, because they can take an opinion just as well as they give it.

You should try it sometime. It's called being "honest", "forthright", and "real". Damned near a lost art these days. :)


Well, you seem to be speaking generally, and pointing out the apparent flaws of people(most definitely people who aren't friends) is usually rude and unnecessary. There's being honest about a friend's problem to their face and there's rudely calling out someone's flaws in a way that shames them in bad taste.

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Well, you seem to be speaking generally, and pointing out the apparent flaws of people(most definitely people who aren't friends) is usually rude and unnecessary. There's being honest about a friend's problem to their face and there's rudely calling out someone's flaws in a way that shames them in bad taste.


If you're morbidly obese, smell like thirteen animals just crawled into your clothes and died, take up 3 seats in an airplane, and are chugging a 128 ounce soda, it is absolutely necessary for me to point out what a filthy fucking smelly ass slob you are. Further, it's an employer's right not to hire and inflict you upon other employees, it's an airline's right to charge you for the three seats you occupy, and it's a movie theater's right to refuse you entrance, because you smell like a walking slaughterhouse.

Did you forget the nature of this topic, exactly? The standard, "Oh, you're 1-50 pounds overweight" bit is idiotic, and nobody cares. If you're truly some fat fucking oompa loompa who infringes upon other people with your slovenly, sluggish, filthy fucking ways, you deserve to be shunned.

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May 13 2016 08:07pm
Quote (InsaneBobb @ May 13 2016 08:45pm)
If you're morbidly obese, smell like thirteen animals just crawled into your clothes and died, take up 3 seats in an airplane, and are chugging a 128 ounce soda, it is absolutely necessary for me to point out what a filthy fucking smelly ass slob you are. Further, it's an employer's right not to hire and inflict you upon other employees, it's an airline's right to charge you for the three seats you occupy, and it's a movie theater's right to refuse you entrance, because you smell like a walking slaughterhouse.

Did you forget the nature of this topic, exactly? The standard, "Oh, you're 1-50 pounds overweight" bit is idiotic, and nobody cares. If you're truly some fat fucking oompa loompa who infringes upon other people with your slovenly, sluggish, filthy fucking ways, you deserve to be shunned.


I fully support employers right to discriminate for pretty much any reason. I'm also in favor of decency. You can pretend the people incredibly overweight are just bad people, but they have serious psychological and addiction issues, similar to drug addicts. Whether or not shaming them makes you feel better about yourself, it doesn't help addicts.

This post was edited by IceMage on May 13 2016 08:15pm
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