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Quote (WhiteSouned @ Apr 19 2024 02:24am)
Iran claims for no damages.
Seems to me that they won’t retaliate. Looks like we are over with this escalation


Ya apparently it was just some drones that got shot down near a nuclear site in Isfahan. Iran said that there's no plans for retaliation. Some important radar sites to taken out is syria/iraq but it's all speculation so far
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Apr 19 2024 04:39am
I dont understand your posting at all. you are willfully giving me statements that are so easy to refute, it is really making me question your motives. anyway, here we go:

Quote (Many_Names @ Apr 19 2024 10:56am)
What missiles does Israel launch to other countries.
I must know


You tell me, you live there. I thought you were Israeli? Surely you know if Israel has missiles and when it uses them? I thought you were informed? Your question is very uninformed. If you want I can refer you to some jewish media for you to educate yourself?

1. Are you pretending that Israel didnt just launch a missile into Iran? I can accept the notion that you are blind fanatic and in your opinion your side can do no wrong but well here are some reports from your own media: https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/2024-04-19/live-updates-797867 "Israel strikes Iranian air base" and https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-19/ty-article-live/reports-say-israel-attacked-site-in-iran-explosions-heard-in-isfahan/0000018e-f484-daad-a3de-febf4f4e0000 "Israel Strikes in Iran, Drones Reportedly Hit Military Target Near Isfahan" https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/04/19/israel-iran-hamas-war-news-gaza-palestine/ "The Israeli military carried out a strike inside Iran in retaliation for a barrage of missiles and drones launched last weekend, an Israeli official said Friday"
2. Or that Israel didnt bomb the Iranian Embassy ? https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/02/world/europe/interpreter-israel-syria-embassy.html "Israel bombed an Iranian Embassy complex."
3. Or that Israel often calls stones thrown at them missiles? So when ppl throw 10 stones and Israel launches AN ACTUAL MISSILE in response they can claim "proportionate" response? https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0PV0WW/



Israel has repeatedly bombed its neighbors, if you want to say this is false, go right ahead, but dont expect me (or most sane people) to believe you.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 19 2024 04:52am
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Quote (ferdia @ 18 Apr 2024 22:51)
You are discounting the fact that Israel is repeatedly launching missiles at other countries. in this instance. Syria. i.e. Israel attacked both Syria (the united states) and iran (israel).
If Syria is friendly to Iran, then it could be said that the US is friendly to Israel. so using your example, at its most basic level, israel punched syria and iran. ergo, iran can punch both the US and Israel.

This is purely a logic exercise, obviously i condemn all countries that FAFO. the fact that israel repeatedly punches syria is not a rationale to determine that such action is OK. similarly the fact that iran does not repeatedly launch attacks on the US would mean that if iran were to do so now, it would be construed as a major escalation. but if you do something to someone, them doing it back to you, is proportionate, even if you dont feel that way. by you i mean one, not you specifically, if you know what i mean.

obviously iran would not look to attack an israeli diplomatic mission to the US as the status quo suggests that this would be an escalation. but in simplistic terms this is a proportionate response, i.e. tit for tat. launching missiles at the US, or at Israel, is disproportionate. doing unto others what they have done to you, is proportionate.


You didnt answer my question the latest example is irrelevant up until to iran when did Israel launched a missile?

Israel doesnt launch missiles at all we usually send airplane to bomb the target.
Bombing hezbollah targets is not bombing other countries,
Bombing weapons convoy is not bombing other countries
You expose yourself and your hatred bit by bit

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Quote (Many_Names @ Apr 19 2024 11:58am)
You didnt answer my question the latest example is irrelevant up until to iran when did Israel launched a missile?

Israel doesnt launch missiles at all we usually send airplane to bomb the target.
Bombing hezbollah targets is not bombing other countries,
Bombing weapons convoy is not bombing other countries
You expose yourself and your hatred bit by bit


If israel can call stones thrown "missiles" then I think its reasonable for me to call bombs missiles. you are arguing semantics here. poorly.

I expose myself? and my hatred? just wow man. what the hell is wrong with you? You are the one with hate in your heart. You are the one looking to wipe out an entire people and are trying to justify it. Your a bad faith debater, proven time and time again by your words. I am literally going to call you out now. expect dozens of your quotes to follow to support my statement here.

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It appears Iran will allow Israel to fire the last shots in this escalation, and Israel of course understands that Iran will continue to fund insurgents who attack Israel. Iran getting drawn into an actual conflict would be devastating to Iran, and so they ceded the optics win to Israel for this round. Though i'd expect an escalation in funding to hezbollah and others in the medium to long term.
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October

Quote (Many_Names @ Oct 20 2023 07:10pm)
...Israel left Gaza and never came back
This is untrue. Israel is back.
Quote (Many_Names @ Oct 20 2023 07:24pm)
We didnt expand in the west bank...
This is untrue. multiple reports highlight Israel has and continues to expand in the West Bank.
Quote (Many_Names @ Oct 26 2023 01:53pm)
The only ignorants are the one who think its a land conflict.
If its not a Land Conflict then why does Israel refuse the two-state solution ?
Quote (Many_Names @ Oct 27 2023 04:18pm)
And they deserve every bomb they get on their head.
I dont think any civilian deserves a bomb on their head. in any country.

November

Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 2 2023 10:56pm)
Right now the only evidence for ethnic clensing came from the Arab side...you cant blame Israel for ethnic clensing simply because arabs are 20% of the Israeli population...
A conflicting statement here.
Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 3 2023 02:18pm)
...We are not targeting children we waited 3 weeks for them to move south. Animals kill for food they are worst then animals
speaks for itself.
Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 3 2023 04:24pm)
Starving Gaza to force them out is more humane but the UN decided its better to bomb them
Israel is doing both. Starving Gaza and Bombing Gaza.
Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 3 2023 04:51pm)
Israel will not intentionally target civilians
when you use 2000lbs bombs on a concentrated civilian population this is pretty much targeting everything.
Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 4 2023 04:44pm)
Mosque, School and even hospital are legitmateo targets according to international law if they are used by militants
There was alot said about this.
Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 9 2023 12:28pm)
Life expectancy among groups is not an evidence for inequality 🤦
its evidence of a few things right now...
Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 10 2023 10:31am)
There is no discrimination against muslims that they havent brought on themselves
ok...
Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 10 2023 05:03pm)
Israel is part of western society it share the same values and laws.
Not sure about this one!
Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 15 2023 01:54pm)
What part of the land should Israel return to Palestinians
The west bank would be a good place to start.
Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 22 2023 12:14am)
Exactly, Israel never initiates violence it only reacts
There are dozens of accounts, in Israeli media of violence initiated by jewish settlers, on the indigenous population, in the West Bank.
Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 22 2023 12:00pm)
Israel have never initiated a war maybe once to prevent something else.
The terrorist attack on Oct 7th was a terrorist attack. Israel responded by initiating war on the population of Gaza.

Quote (ferdia @ Nov 22 2023 01:05pm)
I asked you a straight forward question. you refuse to answer. you asked a straight forward question, I gave you the answer. Talking to you is a waste of my time.
this pretty much sums it up. We give honest answers (whether you like the answers or not) then refuse to answer the original question. a bad faith debater.
Quote (ferdia @ Nov 22 2023 01:30pm)
Where ? show me where. ohhhhh, i cant ask you questions but you can ask your questions, sorry I forget that, my bad. lets try a simple question: tell me the post number where I defended Hamas, or retract your statement.
and your response was:

Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 22 2023 01:33pm)
Not going to do it but fact stays you here arguing about how the IDF is wrong even tho you know we are fighting dark ages
Brutss


This pretty much sums up your position. Any questioning/challenges of Israeli Policy, Methods or treatment of its ethnic minority is treated as an attack on Israel.



Fender was repeatedly sanctioned for asking questions and was ultimately banned after he repeatedly questioned you. There are elements in Israeli society that are questioning the government and the treatment of people being kicked out of their homes in the westbank (nevermind whats happening in Gaza).

Therefore, when you say that I expose my self, and my "hatred", I must question if you have looked in the mirror recently. You are calling your own people, who are opposed to this path, hateful against their own country.



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Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 19 2024 09:10am)
It appears Iran will allow Israel to fire the last shots in this escalation, and Israel of course understands that Iran will continue to fund insurgents who attack Israel. Iran getting drawn into an actual conflict would be devastating to Iran, and so they ceded the optics win to Israel for this round. Though i'd expect an escalation in funding to hezbollah and others in the medium to long term.


Headlines now are Israel second guessing if they did enough to respond.

It’s an interesting dance. If Iran minimizes the damage done to save face Israel then can turn around and say ok we need to strike more because it wasn’t enough of a response and we can probably get away with more.

Israel is objectively more advance and causes significantly more damage. We won’t know for sure, but my instinct tells me Israel continues to hit valuable targets across Iraq and Syria and Iran strikes are prob more geared at hitting hardware and military infrastructure, which I think hurt Iran but we can't know to what extent.

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Quote (ferdia @ Apr 19 2024 04:39pm)
October

This is untrue. Israel is back.
This is untrue. multiple reports highlight Israel has and continues to expand in the West Bank.
If its not a Land Conflict then why does Israel refuse the two-state solution ?
I dont think any civilian deserves a bomb on their head. in any country.

November

A conflicting statement here.
speaks for itself.
Israel is doing both. Starving Gaza and Bombing Gaza.
when you use 2000lbs bombs on a concentrated civilian population this is pretty much targeting everything.
There was alot said about this.
its evidence of a few things right now...
ok...
Not sure about this one!
The west bank would be a good place to start.
There are dozens of accounts, in Israeli media of violence initiated by jewish settlers, on the indigenous population, in the West Bank.
The terrorist attack on Oct 7th was a terrorist attack. Israel responded by initiating war on the population of Gaza.

this pretty much sums it up. We give honest answers (whether you like the answers or not) then refuse to answer the original question. a bad faith debater.
and your response was:



This pretty much sums up your position. Any questioning/challenges of Israeli Policy, Methods or treatment of its ethnic minority is treated as an attack on Israel.

https://i.imgur.com/H9AZICy.png

Fender was repeatedly sanctioned for asking questions and was ultimately banned after he repeatedly questioned you. There are elements in Israeli society that are questioning the government and the treatment of people being kicked out of their homes in the westbank (nevermind whats happening in Gaza).

Therefore, when you say that I expose my self, and my "hatred", I must question if you have looked in the mirror recently. You are calling your own people, who are opposed to this path, hateful against their own country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTmW_PSo9cU



From my experience these fascists-rats will eventually report the post you did because it makes a reference to someone who "broke forum rules"... Yep.
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 19 2024 08:57am)
Headlines now are Israel second guessing if they did enough to respond.

It’s an interesting dance. If Iran minimizes the damage done to save face Israel then can turn around and say ok we need to strike more because it wasn’t enough of a response and we can probably get away with more.

Israel is objectively more advance and causes significantly more damage. We won’t know for sure, but my instinct tells me Israel continues to hit valuable targets across Iraq and Syria and Iran strikes are prob more geared at hitting hardware and military infrastructure, which I think hurt Iran but we can't know to what extent.


just my personal opinion, but i dont think Israel is as concerned with amount of damage, they're more interested with striking last. the whole world knows they have a vastly superior level of force, the message is "ok we ended it, not you, we didnt blink first and we wont in the future".
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Quote (Meanwhile @ Apr 19 2024 04:18pm)
From my experience these fascists-rats will eventually report the post you did because it makes a reference to someone who "broke forum rules"... Yep.


Except when you look at the exchange, Many_names broke forum rules when he referred to the other side as "animals". That breaks the 1st rule on this website.

If, in highlighting this error in moderation, it leads to Many_names being sanctioned for his racists comments and then me being sanctioned for quoting his racist comments, so be it. The error here is that when Fendor was sanctioned, Many_names should have been sanctioned as well. As Many_names was not sanctioned, hate speech has been allowed to thrive throughout this thread.

And I am more then happy to provide dozens of examples of this hate speech, on request (which was not sanctioned, by the moderators). If I am suspended from the sub section for pointing this problem out, so be it.

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