It clearly was a direct hit at Iran, I'm not sure if something is being lost is translation here but what would you like me to call it? Consulate? Consulate annex? Diplomatic compound?

Your word means nothing to me because you defend anything Israel does no matter what, I don't blame Israelis for being pro Israel but you seem like a fanatic.

If you have some sort of evidence to back up what you say I will check it out but it sounds like you are quoting some random shit you saw on Instagram or something so I will stick with what every major media organization has reported over your assurances.

I know that you refer that comment to many_names but I feel like it can be also relevant to me.
We are far from defending our Gov. both of us (Many_Names and me) stated many times here that we didn’t vote for this gov nor like it and certainly we do not agree to everything they do.
Our claim (at least my claim) is that the way that Israel is operating (currently) is the best way possible. Well, actually I would prefer Israel to operate in all of Gaza Strip simultaneously but apparently due to false conception our army is incapable of doing so hence we are stuck in the current situation.
I’m a father of two.. I can sympathise with families losing their love ones over there in Gaza. I wish this situation wouldn’t even happen. All that being said I’m perfectly fine with my family being protected here in Israel rather being sorry for the people of Gaza which very much wants me dead. That’s just basic human nature.

This post was edited by WhiteSouned on Apr 18 2024 01:51am

It wasnt a consulate either it was the building near it

I appreciate this reply, it is very gracious of you to be so pleasant to me after things I've said in this thread, I apologize for anything rude I've said to you and will try to keep the same level of respect you've shown me going forward.

I disagree with both of you about quite a lot but I don't hate Israelis or anything. I dislike the Israeli government and the decisions they have made, as well as the US and its contribution to the problems there. I don't think Israel is viable as a country long term because of how it was created and how it is used as a tool by the US to destabilize the middle east. I hope I am wrong and there can be some peaceful resolution but I think it is unlikely because it has been boiling for so long, too much hatred and blood on both sides to fix things.

If someone shot missiles at me or my family I wouldn't really care who they were or what their reasons were, I would want them gone and wouldn't care how it was done. Whatever our disagreements I don't wish you any ill will and hope you and your family are safe through all of this whatever happens.

Israel has nothing to do with US on its foundation it actually had an embargo imposed by the US until the late 1960’s
Israel not only viable country we made sure no one can take us out.
And if they will be close we will take them out before they do in a complete annihilation.

Israel government done a lot of things wrong they are humans too but they unlike the garbage on the other side of the border do not target civilians.
And let me tell you one more thing if an order to attack civilians would go down in the chain of command no one would have obeyed it.

Israel not there to irritate muslims its there as the ancestral home of the jews.

?? Iran did not target civilians in this attack though. Understand, no one is here to justify Iran, but the fact remains, Isreal killed 30,000 people in Gaza, using 2000lbs bombs. Israel bombs civilians. What are you even talking about. If you are refuting an argument like this I must inform you that it is virtually impossible to agree with your point. There are countless accounts of the IDF mistreating people in Gaza and the West Bank. Just yesterday i linked an Israeli media source highlighting this. meanwhile you continue with this narrative of the other side is garbage. yes yes, always the dehumanizing insults. kill them all, less then human. Give it a rest already.

meanwhile...

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-797675

"US approves Rafah op. in exchange for no Israeli counterstrikes on Iran - report"

also

https://www.timesofisrael.com/pm-shelved-pre-approved-plans-for-immediate-iran-reprisal-after-biden-call-report/

"PM shelved pre-approved plans for immediate Iran reprisal after Biden call — report"

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 18 2024 03:47am

The British were responsible for the creation of Israel and most of the blame lies with them for the horrible situation they left it in. America adopted the arms embargo because they viewed Israel as an extension of British influence which they were intent on subverting or taking over after WW2. Then came the cold war and America became concerned about communist influence in the country because of the strong links between Israel and the Soviet Union so the embargo was maintained. When relations between USSR and Israel worsened the US dropped the embargo and adopted Israel as a means of extending their influence in the middle east. Bit more complicated than this but that is the basic timeline IMO.

And sure it was the ancestral home of the Jewish people and they were unjustly removed from it, then they were abused wherever they went afterwards and that persecution is what drove the early zionists to want to recreate their homeland. I understand why they wanted to do it and don't blame them for this. The problem is how it was done and I blame the British for that, they built the country on a rotten foundation and doomed it because of that.

We are not going to agree on the IDF targeting civilians, you are not going to convince me and I don't think I will convince you so there is no point in arguing about it IMO. There are plenty of people here who will debate this particular topic with you though.

well said.



This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 18 2024 04:53am

The fact that Israel attacked multiple countries prior to Iran's response, is not relevant. What is relevant is the volume used by Iran. We are talking about escalated conflict. While most rationale people can agree that the Israeli government are the aggressors, that its an apartheid state, that its committing ethnic cleansing and genocide, brutalizing their minorities while they starve the palestinians dead, the point is whether Iran's response was disproportionate.

And the answer is clearly yes. The fact that Iran minimized the loss of life and is departed from Israels brutal collective punishment approach to a civilian population merely highlights that Iran is more humane (or say rather, less barbaric) then Israel, it does not change the fact that Iran's attack was a disproportionate response, irrespective of the fact that the loss of life was incredibly low. From a geo-political standpoint, it can be construed as a disproportionate response, especially when noting the inferiority complex of Israeli society "they want to wipe us off the map". A proportionate response, as I already said, would be for Iran to blow up an Israeli consulate/diplomatic mission.

We are not talking about right or wrong, morals or any of that fluff here. We are talking about a country launching a volume of weapons at another in response to an attack on a consulate/diplomatic mission.

very conscious this is the Russia topic. copy/paste this across in case you have any follow ups.

/moved from the Russia topic.

pre-revolution Iran was inargubly better than even modern SA, no argument there. but i think even with better social norms their geopolitical aims and regional behavior overrides that, even if their norms are still better post-revolution now.

the other factor to consider is in an ideological struggle for Islam SA will always have the upper hand as they control Mecca. it would be like betting against catholics for protestants if in the 1700s both factions still revered the Vatican the same. the only way for Iran and the Shia to win is a major upheaval of the region that serves no one. i think sunnis can make peace with shites, im not sure about the inverse given history.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Apr 18 2024 06:11am