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Sep 14 2016 03:10pm
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/14/politics/clinton-campaign-releases-new-health-information/index.html

And for the record, Barack Obama wasn't born in Kenya.

Any more distractions? Just email em to HRC.

Time to release the taxes Trump. Only one candidate hasn't been forthright and transparent here.

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Quote (Skinned @ Sep 14 2016 04:10pm)
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/14/politics/clinton-campaign-releases-new-health-information/index.html

And for the record, Barack Obama wasn't born in Kenya.

Any more distractions? Just email em to HRC.

Time to release the taxes Trump. Only one candidate hasn't been forthright and transparent here.


fake records from a fake ass news site
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Sep 14 2016 03:14pm
Quote (Skinned @ Sep 14 2016 02:10pm)
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/14/politics/clinton-campaign-releases-new-health-information/index.html

And for the record, Barack Obama wasn't born in Kenya.

Any more distractions? Just email em to HRC.

Time to release the taxes Trump. Only one candidate hasn't been forthright and transparent here.


Never going to happen. Not going to get his taxes, a full medical report, his bundler info. He's by far and away the least transparent nominee in modern history, and everybody knows why.

Quote (Santara @ Sep 13 2016 09:58am)
What's mischaracterizing about a direct and straightforward quote? There was no reliable evidence that the attacks EVER had anything to do with a video.

Because it clearly shows her frame of mind 4 days prior to her sending out Susan Rice to say DIFFERENTLY to the public. That makes what Rice said a complete lie known in advance to be a lie.

/e therefore we are talking conspiracy fact, not theory.


You're mischaracterizing the sum total of the intelligence gathered, then presented, in those reports, and the value of said intelligence on the basis of where it happened to come from.

Again, you don't get to choose which intelligence is valid. We can debate about the effectiveness of our intelligence-acquiring capabilities but you don't get to pick and choose which pieces of intelligence exist (and don't exist) based on whichever fringe narrative you're trying to advance. The fact that the attack was not motivated by the video, like peaceful demonstrations in other countries were, was obviously one of the reasons that the intelligence estimate changed and became more accurate, as we know it did. Just because they were able to eventually determine later on the correct cause of the attack does not mean that their initial incorrect assessment was made to deceive. Making that claim is disingenuous, and the conspiracy theorists have never been able to offer a shred of proof for it; only more CTs and non-sequiturs.
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Sep 14 2016 03:19pm
Bill says its the flu and she's fine.
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Sep 14 2016 03:20pm
Quote (excellence @ Sep 14 2016 04:19pm)
Bill says its the flu and she's fine.


bills never told a lie so i trust his word
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fake records from a fake ass news site


You probably thought Obama was from Kenya too.
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Sep 14 2016 03:32pm
Believing a "medical information" released by the candidate team ?

Why not, a doctor can can talk about pneumonia while secondary effects of a stroke or why not parkison are in background, and claim everything "looks normal", on the first step...

In the same way we can read a bill with a very low Cholesterol rate, meaning the candidate is healthy ? Or maybe because he/she's sick and have to follow a strict diet now.


I would not trust them, and if you do: good luck !
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Quote (Pollster @ Sep 14 2016 04:14pm)
Never going to happen. Not going to get his taxes, a full medical report, his bundler info. He's by far and away the least transparent nominee in modern history, and everybody knows why.



You're mischaracterizing the sum total of the intelligence gathered, then presented, in those reports, and the value of said intelligence on the basis of where it happened to come from.

Again, you don't get to choose which intelligence is valid. We can debate about the effectiveness of our intelligence-acquiring capabilities but you don't get to pick and choose which pieces of intelligence exist (and don't exist) based on whichever fringe narrative you're trying to advance. The fact that the attack was not motivated by the video, like peaceful demonstrations in other countries were, was obviously one of the reasons that the intelligence estimate changed and became more accurate, as we know it did. Just because they were able to eventually determine later on the correct cause of the attack does not mean that their initial incorrect assessment was made to deceive. Making that claim is disingenuous, and the conspiracy theorists have never been able to offer a shred of proof for it; only more CTs and non-sequiturs.


Clinton herself obviously knew from the outset what the motivations were, we have her email to prove it. Anything else you want to call an "initial assessment" that contradicts what she already knew is proof of the lie about putting a false "initial assessment" out.
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You probably thought Obama was from Kenya too.


There's something very amusing about Trump supporters claiming Clinton's doctor, or her records, are fake after getting a glimpse of Trump's doctor and the way his not-medical report was transcribed.

Quote (Santara @ Sep 14 2016 02:36pm)
Clinton herself obviously knew from the outset what the motivations were, we have her email to prove it. Anything else you want to call an "initial assessment" that contradicts what she already knew is proof of the lie about putting a false "initial assessment" out.


Again I go back to this, because you're making the same mistake (well, it's not a mistake but the same deliberative choice that every other dead-ender makes) that the rest of the CTs do:

Quote (Pollster @ Sep 13 2016 09:36am)
Why do you think the simple fact that Clinton sent that email overrides what we know to be true: that the intelligence estimate changed (and became more accurate) over time? The existence of that email and what it says doesn't magically prove what you're trying to allege; that's been the fatal flaw in that "argument" the whole time. That's the problem with indulging this conspiracy theory: all you get is yet still more conspiracy theories behind it, rather than just the dead-enders simply adhering to the same evidence that the rest of us do.


Just saying "Clinton sent this email" doesn't magically prove what you're alleging. That's a non-sequitur. Do you know what that email actually says? You actually have to have proof, supporting evidence, to be taken seriously on this. The email and what it says doesn't support what you're alleging. You're doing the same exact thing that the rest of the dead-enders have done, just reflexively pointing to the email as if its existence alone confirms some nefarious plot. It doesn't.
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Sep 14 2016 04:25pm
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Again I go back to this, because you're making the same mistake (well, it's not a mistake but the same deliberative choice that every other dead-ender makes) that the rest of the CTs do:

Just saying "Clinton sent this email" doesn't magically prove what you're alleging. That's a non-sequitur. Do you know what that email actually says? You actually have to have proof, supporting evidence, to be taken seriously on this. The email and what it says doesn't support what you're alleging. You're doing the same exact thing that the rest of the dead-enders have done, just reflexively pointing to the email as if its existence alone confirms some nefarious plot. It doesn't.


Something something saying the same thing over again doesn't make it true something something.

It proves that she knew inside of 24 hours what was going on. Sending someone out with "initial intelligence" saying something entirely different 120 hours later is not borne of a "changing intelligence estimate," it is a lie. If I didn't know the contents of the email, how in the actual fuck do you think I used the exact same term directly used in that email (al-quada-like group)? But allow me:

Quote (Hillary Clinton)
Two of our officers were killed in Benghazi by an Al Quada-like group: The Ambassador, whom I handpicked and a young communications officer on temporary duty w/ a wife and two young children. Very hard day and I fear more of the same tomorrow.

Let's try again later.


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